Come on Rick, this is absurd.

sbfinley · #1 10-07-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I know nothing about autos but is the MJ auto real? Given the card is graded authentic to me that would mean the auto is fake.

Is this a type of scam where someone puts a fake auto on a card and gets the card graded authentic hoping someone will also think the auto is real?

I've seen this attempted before, mostly with Jordan autos. I've never seen one so brazenly consigned to a major seller before, however. Either the scammer tried to push it through Probstein or the idiot who purchased it before consigned it and the card slipped through. I don't know who signed it, but I know the person who did is not named Michael Jordan.

slidekellyslide · #2 10-07-2015, 09:49 AM

PSA should stop slabbing cards with autos on them unless the auto is getting authenticated.

Laxcat · #3 10-07-2015, 10:14 AM

Why doesn't it have a MK qualifier?

sbfinley · #4 10-07-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Laxcat

Why doesn't it have a MK qualifier?

No numbered grade, so no need.

mighty bombjack · #5 10-07-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

No numbered grade, so no need.

Which is really the original purpose of the "Authentic" designation, to ignore any alterations and simply state that this is the card that was issued by the manufacturer.

mighty bombjack · #6 10-07-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

PSA should stop slabbing cards with autos on them unless the auto is getting authenticated.

I agree with your general premise here, but it raises questions about whether any writing at all would constitute an "auto" (not to mention that PSA wouldn't consider the option because it would cut into the bottom line). I think th middle ground is to make what has been authenticated MUCH clearer on the flip itself.

sbfinley · #7 10-07-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I agree with your general premise here, but it raises questions about whether any writing at all would constitute an "auto" (not to mention that PSA wouldn't consider the option because it would cut into the bottom line). I think th middle ground is to make what has been authenticated MUCH clearer on the flip itself.

Not defending PSA because it's a valid question raised, but if you are in the market for a signature like this you have got to know what you are shopping for. If you are a major seller of a card like this you have absolutely got to being able to read a flip and know the difference. Period.

Laxcat · #8 10-07-2015, 11:05 AM

It seems to me that the sole intent of the the person that got this card "authenticated" was to swindle someone out of their money.

mighty bombjack · #9 10-07-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Laxcat

It seems to me that the sole intent of the the person that got this card "authenticated" was to swindle someone out of their money.

I think more and more people might go this route to try and move fakes, which sadly might be what has to happen for PSA to make their flips clearer. The red/blue flip distinction is notorious (just search the question and see how many times it has been asked by collectors on various message boards). While it does not say PSA/DNA anywhere on that flip, the giant AUTHENTIC clearly causes confusion about the scribbling on the face of that card (per the current auction price). To the OP's point, Probstein listing PSA/DNA in the title is poor practice and inexcusable.

mighty bombjack · #10 10-07-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sbfinley

Not defending PSA because it's a valid question raised, but if you are in the market for a signature like this you have got to know what you are shopping for. If you are a major seller of a card like this you have absolutely got to being able to read a flip and know the difference. Period.

I agree with you on all counts. People need to educate themselves to be sure (if everyone did this properly we wouldn't have or need TPAs for autographs, but that's a pipe dream), and you are correct to start this thread. Sellers need to represent (and therefore, obviously, know) what they are selling accurately. Stating these facts isn't defending PSA, I just wanted to point out that they could do a lot (by actually doing very little) to dispel this issue.

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