FYI....T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 fr..350 nofr..460 confirmed lists

[tedzan]

The printing of the very scarce AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards appears to breakdown into 3 levels of scarcity.


1st.....and, easiest to find, the "Exclusive 12" are certainly more available than any of the other 62 subjects
with AB 460 backs. I believe these 12 subjects were printed on a sheet separate from the other AB 460's.




Crandall (cap)
Devore
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Hummel
McGraw (glove at hip)
Pfeffer
Sheckard (glove)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Wheat


2nd.....and, considerably tougher than the Exclusive 12 are the following 30 subjects......


Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Lake (no ball)
Latham
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Meyers (portrait)
Mullin (bat)
Needham
Overall (blue sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Happy Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)



3rd.....and, the most difficult of all of these AB 460 cards are these 32 subjects......

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Doyle (portrait)
Frill
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)
Jennings (one hand)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (with ball)
Leach (cap)
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Oldring (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Payne
Schaefer (Washington)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Tinker (bat on)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


I have listed these 3 levels of scarcity of the AB 460 cards based on my experience collecting this T206 sub-set
during the past 8 years. Furthermore, this list factors into account other collectors want-lists of AB 460 cards.


Determining these 3 levels of scarcity is still a work in progress. So, tell us of your experiences collecting these
tough AB 460 backs....and, show your cards..



TED Z
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Still searching for these 4 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
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[mrvster]

I totally agree on these "levels".........


I have most of the "12"....but only 2 or 3 or the tougher ones

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I totally agree on these "levels".........


I have most of the "12"....but only 2 or 3 or the tougher ones

Your experience collecting these AB 460 cards is typical.

The majority of the AB 460 cards are considerably tougher than what they are ranked in the "T206resource" site.
However, the considerably more available Exclusive 12 subjects with AB 460 backs significantly skew the AB 460
ranking lower than it actually should be.

Research indicates that 60 of these subjects with the AB 460 back should rank as high as the red HINDU cards.


TED Z
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[Jobu]

Hi Ted,

I have a question for you. In post 20 in this thread:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1448952

you gave a list of subjects with fewer than 4 known examples in AB 460. Of that short list, Conroy, Manning, Pelty, and Willis are not listed in the most difficult group, group 3, in this thread. Was this an oversight or is there something about these four that should make them easier than the others with fewer than 4 known examples?

Thanks

[tedzan]

Since I posted that prior list....

Conroy
Manning
McQuilllan
Overall
Pelty
Steinfeldt
Wagner
Wilhelm
Willis
Wiltse

....further research indicates that Conroy, Manning, Pelty, and Wills are borderline candidates with 4 examples each.

For example Manning: Your card, my card, and I have recently seen two beat up cards of Manning/AB 460.



TED Z
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[Jobu]

Thanks for the clarification Ted. I guess I will just have to buy and destroy the two beaters.

[tedzan]

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 frame.......190 confirmed subjects

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain

Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer

Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan

Engle
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)

Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)

Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley

McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullin (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin

O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm

Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann

Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman





AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 no frame......37 confirmed subjects

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat) .......................... initial press runs
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove) .......................... replaced Nichols in subsequent press runs
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Wagner (bat on right)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)



AMERICAN BEAUTY 460........74 confirmed subjects

350/460 Series.....................28 subjects

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat) ........................ **
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right) ............... **
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat) .......................... **
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)



460-only Series.....................46 subjects

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands in air)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (hands above head) ..... **
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait) ........................ **
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand on waist)

Hummell
Lake (with ball) ....................... **
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap) .............. **
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait) ...................... **
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne ..................................... **
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington) .............. **
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait) ........................ **
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap) .................. **


** NOTE
To date, there is only ONE example of each of these 12 cards listed in the POP report data (SGC + PSA).

If you have any of these 12 very scarce AB 460 cards could you please show and/or tell us.

Thanks.

TED Z

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Still searching for these 4 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
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