FYI....T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 fr..350 nofr..460 confirmed lists

[Jobu]

Thanks for the clarification Ted. I guess I will just have to buy and destroy the two beaters.

[tedzan]

AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 frame.......190 confirmed subjects

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain

Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer

Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan

Engle
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)

Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)

Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley

McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullin (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin

O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm

Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann

Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman





AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 no frame......37 confirmed subjects

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Burch (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lake (no ball)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat) .......................... initial press runs
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove) .......................... replaced Nichols in subsequent press runs
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Wagner (bat on right)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)



AMERICAN BEAUTY 460........74 confirmed subjects

350/460 Series.....................28 subjects

Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat) ........................ **
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right) ............... **
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat) .......................... **
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)



460-only Series.....................46 subjects

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands in air)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (hands above head) ..... **
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait) ........................ **
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand on waist)

Hummell
Lake (with ball) ....................... **
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap) .............. **
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait) ...................... **
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne ..................................... **
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington) .............. **
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait) ........................ **
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap) .................. **


** NOTE
To date, there is only ONE example of each of these 12 cards listed in the POP report data (SGC + PSA).

If you have any of these 12 very scarce AB 460 cards could you please show and/or tell us.

Thanks.

TED Z

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Still searching for these 4 cards to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 subjects)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
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[swanstars]

Just got these graded recently, noticed on the pop report there shows only 2 Chance and 3 Meyers. Not sure how tough any of these are with the previously graded ones out there...? And have a Donovan Throwing AB 350/Frame PSA 5.5

Darrin

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by swanstars

Just got these graded recently, noticed on the pop report there shows only 2 Chance and 3 Meyers. Not sure how tough any of these are with the previously graded ones out there...? And have a Donovan Throwing AB 350/Frame PSA 5.5

Darrin

You have some fine looking AB 460 cards. Thanks for displaying them.

Yes....the POP report data shows only 2 - Chance cards and 3 - Meyers cards with AB 460 backs.

In addition to those, I have an SGC graded AB 460 Chance; and, I had an ungraded AB 460 Chance. Also, I have an ungraded AB 460 Meyers.

Nevertheless, these Chance and Meyers cards are tough; but , not as tough as some the other AB 460 subjects.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

I have mentioned this once before but it didn't receive any opinions either
way so I thought I would try it here.

All of the confirmed Brown Lenox subjects are also AB 460 subjects so I was
thinking it might be possible that some(or all) of the sheets used for the
AB 460's were also used for the Brown Lenox.

While the Brown Lenox is an extremely rare back (22 different subjects confirmed so far) it seems odd that none of the possible 34 non AB 460
subjects has been confirmed with a Brown Lenox. So could it be that not all Black Lenox subjects are possible with Brown Lenox and only AB 460 subjects are?

[tedzan]

Very interesting observation, Pat.

We do know that some of the sheets used to print the AB 460 backs were also used to print the UZIT backs.

But it remains to be seen if this is also true for the AB 460 cards and the brown LENOX cards, since (to date)
there are only 22 examples of the brown LENOX cards.

Furthermore, it is quite puzzling that 4 subjects (Lajoie, Overall, Pfeister, Wagner) of these 22 brown LENOX
cards have yet to be confirmed with black LENOX backs ? ? ? ?


Incidentally, there are 35 subjects that are AB 460 No-Prints (not 34).



TED Z
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[Pat R]

I agree with you Ted, it's not much to gauge off with only 22 confirmed subjects but with 32% of the subjects being AB 460 no prints you would think at least a couple of the Confirmed Brown Lenox would be from this group if they are a possible front back combo.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I have mentioned this once before but it didn't receive any opinions either
way so I thought I would try it here.

All of the confirmed Brown Lenox subjects are also AB 460 subjects so I was
thinking it might be possible that some(or all) of the sheets used for the
AB 460's were also used for the Brown Lenox.

While the Brown Lenox is an extremely rare back (22 different subjects confirmed so far) it seems odd that none of the possible 34 non AB 460
subjects has been confirmed with a Brown Lenox. So could it be that not all Black Lenox subjects are possible with Brown Lenox and only AB 460 subjects are?

There was a Conroy Lenox in a lot that sold in the recent Lelands auction.
I think this is the first confirmed Conroy Lenox and it looks like it's a Brown
Lenox which would be the 23rd confirmed Brown Lenox and all 23 would
also be American Beauty 460 subjects.

[tedzan]

Pat R

Nice observation....Conroy's LENOX back is certainly brown.


OK, for starters, the Exclusive 12 subjects in the 460-only series are Double-Printed (or Triple-Printed) with AB 460 backs. However, NONE of these 12 will ever
be found with brown LENOX. But, of course we know that these 12 guys are black LENOX No-Prints.


My theory regarding these LENOX "brownies" is simple, they are the result of a wrong ink press run of normally black LENOX cards. Eventually, Conroy (Pfeister
and Wagner) will be found wiith black LENOX backs.

If you're looking to draw some (or any) connection with other T206 back press runs, consider PIEDMONT 460/42 regarding the 460-only series "brownies".........

460-only Series......12 subjects confirmed with P460/42......6 of these subjects are also confirmed with brown LENOX (to date)

Bergen (catching)
Chase (Trophy)................brown LENOX
Latham...........................brown LENOX
Marquard (pitching)..........brown LENOX
Merkle (throwing).............brown LENOX
Murray (portrait)
Overall (blue sky)
Schlei (portrait)................brown LENOX
Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)..........brown LENOX


Incidentally, I have to slightly modify your statement..... "While the Brown Lenox is an extremely rare back (22 different subjects confirmed so far) it seems odd
that none of the possible 34 non AB 460 subjects has been confirmed with a Brown Lenox.".
Actually, there are 35 AB 460 No-Prints. Ames (hands above head) has never been confirmed with an AB 460 back. Specific T206 printing patterns strongly sug-
gest that this Ames card will never be found with the AB 460 back. But, will possibly be found with a red HINDU back.


TED Z
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