1952 mantle pwcc psa 8

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right...people act like shilling is so common with these consignors..but it occurs much less than regular sellers

Are you seriously saying the average eBay sellers auctions are shilled more than a consigners auction? Do you have anything to base this opinion on?

[Peter_Spaeth]

That stain to me is pretty trivial.

[1952boyntoncollector]

delete

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Are you seriously saying the average eBay sellers auctions are shilled more than a consigners auction? Do you have anything to base this opinion on?

do you have any other information otherwise? I know a private seller can make two accounts and be the 'high bidder' on one of them and cancel the sale between their two accounts..i just don't see probstein in cahoots with 2000 consignors to cancel a sale afterwards........

A consignor risks having to be a high bidder and paying a buyers premium on their own card if they win it at an auction house....if they have two or more accounts and they 'win' their card..there is zero chance.....that's what my opinion is based on...

you think if it was a private account for the 1952 mantle psa 8..with some guy with 50 feeback theres less of a chance he would shill it then pwcc?

go consign a card to pwcc/probstein and win your own consignment with them and tell me what happens...if you are too scared to do it..that proves my point......

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

do you have any other information otherwise? I know a private seller can make two accounts and be the 'high bidder' on one of them and cancel the sale between their two accounts..i just don't see probstein in cahoots with 2000 consignors to cancel a sale afterwards........

A consignor risks having to be a high bidder and paying a buyers premium on their own card if they win it at an auction house....if they have two or more accounts and they 'win' their card..there is zero chance.....that's what my opinion is based on...

you think if it was a private account for the 1952 mantle psa 8..with some guy with 50 feeback theres less of a chance he would shill it then pwcc?

go consign a card to pwcc/probstein and win your own consignment with them and tell me what happens...if you are too scared to do it..that proves my point......

Why do you choose to overlook PWWC has come on this forum and said they have let people shill their own auction in the past. It has also been proven several times that people have shilled their consignments with Probstein with him knowing it and doing nothing about it.

I like your funny weird posts but in all seriousness are they done just to troll?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Why do you choose to overlook PWWC has come on this forum and said they have let people shill their own auction in the past. It has also been proven several times that people have shilled their consignments with Probstein with him knowing it and doing nothing about it.

I like your funny weird posts but in all seriousness are they done just to troll?

it also has been proven that private sellers have shilled their cards...I not saying shilling never happened with prob and pwcc..but its less likely to occur and more difficult ..plus the fact that everyone agrees its not happening on a 425k card is nice to know as well

some people like my posts..its not like every one of my posts are hated. ...people that troll like to accuse others of trolling....

[jason.1969]

What a beautiful card! I agree that A) the stain should have been noted, and B) it doesn't detract much. That said, the PWCC write-up focuses on this being at the very top of PSA 8 examples, which I'm not sure is true when considering the stain.

On another note, and this isn't to knock the card at all...looking up close, it's easy to notice the top black border is too long. I wondered if all 52T #311 cards had this same border issue, and it looks like many don't. Perhaps it's speaks to the perfectionists at Topps back then that this card would be redone to fix such a small issue. Or more likely, perhaps it speaks to the general variability in their setup and printing back then that minor things like this might vary unintentionally from run to run.

Purely academic mind wanderings here as this is a card I definitely will never own!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

What a beautiful card! I agree that A) the stain should have been noted, and B) it doesn't detract much. That said, the PWCC write-up focuses on this being at the very top of PSA 8 examples, which I'm not sure is true when considering the stain.

On another note, and this isn't to knock the card at all...looking up close, it's easy to notice the top black border is too long. I wondered if all 52T #311 cards had this same border issue, and it looks like many don't. Perhaps it's speaks to the perfectionists at Topps back then that this card would be redone to fix such a small issue. Or more likely, perhaps it speaks to the general variability in their setup and printing back then that minor things like this might vary unintentionally from run to run.

Purely academic mind wanderings here as this is a card I definitely will never own!

I never seen an auction house ever say on a 100k+ card that a card isn't in the top echelon for the grade...

[alfredoleal2001]

wish I had some extra change to pick this one up lol

[sflayank]

Btw. Card sold for 62500 including buyers in 2005
Legendary auction...nice profit for the buyer

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by sflayank

Btw. Card sold for 62500 including buyers in 2005
Legendary auction...nice profit for the buyer

if its the same buyer...card could of changed hands between those times......plus who knows..the guy that paid 62500..maybe his wife got mad at him paying 60k for cardboard..then got divorced that costed him more than 300k increase in value........so who knows!

[pclpads]

"costed??" WTF is that?

[pokerplyr80]

Almost 460k now. Does anyone think this one hits 500k? Personally I think it will fall a little short. If I was a betting man I'd put the over/under at about 480k.

[RaidonCollects]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Almost 460k now. Does anyone think this one hits 500k? Personally I think it will fall a little short. If I was a betting man I'd put the over/under at about 480k.

Still got a few days left, I think it could even reach 550k if there's a bidding war. High-grade 52 mantles never come up for sale now, as they've settled into collections. Just my opinion, and I'm no expert on '52s.

~Owen

[jchcollins]

The '52 Topps Mantle is the Wagner / grail card of the Baby Boomer set. It's fascinating to me how grading and the craze of the modern hobby have continued to push the price of this card up in recent years. I started collecting as a kid in 1986 and used to persuade my mother to buy vintage cards for me at the local shops back when $20 or so for a nice '66 Koufax (still one of my favorites) was considered BIG MONEY. I guess I should have been more persuasive back then when a mid-grade '52 #311 went for "only" a couple of thousand dollars. Hey ma, do you know what this card will be worth in 2015?? The sad thing is, I was doing that kind of persuading back then - but alas, for complete sets of '89 UD and 1990 Donruss and that kind of thing. Doh!