PLEASE EXPLAIN--t206 Baker PSA 6 for over $6000

[forazzurri2axz]

????????????????and there were 3 people bidding over $5,000 on ebay earlier

what am I missing?? sweet cap back is no rarity either!

[Leon]

I moved this from the BST section for T206s. It's probably better to discuss it here. thanks

[mechanicalman]

Same dude who bought the Cobb for $16k. Apparently, unlimited funds and little regard for market pricing. But good news for holders of mid-grade Bakers, I guess.

[pkaufman]

Leon right on top of the situation as usual...does he ever sleep ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Smash that record in style!!

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $986.51





11/8/15 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions g***c 55 $6,200.00
3/8/15 eBay Image pwcc_auctions i***b 25 $986.51
10/16/14 eBay Image www.stevenovella.com o***c 21 $806.00
7/21/14 eBay Image smlefty r***r 1 $750.00
5/19/14 eBay Image probstein123 s***s 21 $898.00

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Smash that record in style!!

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $986.51





11/8/15 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions g***c 55 $6,200.00
3/8/15 eBay Image pwcc_auctions i***b 25 $986.51
10/16/14 eBay Image www.stevenovella.com o***c 21 $806.00
7/21/14 eBay Image smlefty r***r 1 $750.00
5/19/14 eBay Image probstein123 s***s 21 $898.00

who the heck the underbidders there....now im questioning if that is legit...

[pkaufman]

My friends, Leon is UBIQUITOUS ! Look it up !

[Peter_Spaeth]

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Member Id: g***c( 775Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $6,200.00
Nov-08-15 14:08:02 PST

Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $6,100.00
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Member Id: g***c( 775Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $6,000.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $6,000.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $5,800.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $5,600.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $5,400.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $5,200.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $5,000.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $4,900.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $4,750.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $4,600.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $4,450.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $4,000.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,850.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,700.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,600.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,500.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,400.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,200.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $3,000.00
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Member Id: g***c( 775Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $2,800.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $2,700.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $2,500.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $2,400.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $2,300.00
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Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $2,000.00
Nov-08-15 14:05:07 PST

Member Id: g***c( 775Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $1,700.00
Nov-08-15 12:26:20 PST

Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $1,700.00
Nov-08-15 14:05:02 PST

Member Id: l***i( 736Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $1,500.00
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Member Id: g***c( 775Feedback score is 500 to 999) US $1,250.00
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Nov-08-15 14:04:44 PST

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pkaufman

My friends, Leon is UBIQUITOUS ! Look it up !

I am barely anywhere.....trust me. I see things in the wrong places sometimes and move them, that's all. I have to earn my keep somehow.

[pkaufman]

Leon.....love ya !

[pokerplyr80]

So what's the thought on this one? That two guys are trying to manipulate the market for t206 Bakers? Or high grade t206s in general? I'm having trouble thinking of a legitimate reason to bid this card up to even 3k, let alone 6k.

[PolarBear]

Originally Posted by pkaufman

Leon right on top of the situation as usual...does he ever sleep ?

He does not.

[asphaltman]

Ebay hiding identities years ago made all of this worse.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Same exact card sold a year ago, for 806. Good return on investment.

[Bored5000]

Obviously nothing sketchy at all about the 18 bid retractions in the past six months and 86 percent bid activity with PWCC by the winning bidder.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

So what's the thought on this one? That two guys are trying to manipulate the market for t206 Bakers? Or high grade t206s in general? I'm having trouble thinking of a legitimate reason to bid this card up to even 3k, let alone 6k.

The T206 Baker is the new 52T Mantle. They don't call him Home Run for nothing.

[pkaufman]

Amen !

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The T206 Baker is the new 52T Mantle. They don't call him Home Run for nothing.

It looks like at least a couple of people agree with you. At that price it didn't sell for much less than a 51 Bowman Mantle in the same grade would go for.

[calvindog]

PWCC is clean...everyone know it...wait maybe not clean....can't decide...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

PWCC is clean...everyone know it...wait maybe not clean....can't decide...

I don't think we are worried about auctions that go for 5x the last sale amount..this is obvious a weird situation but I pretty sure no one on this forum will be bidding $2k on the same type of card in the future

[pokerplyr80]

I doubt PWCC had anything to do with this one. With the other auctions he had ending today I would be surprised if he was even paying much attention to the Baker other than noting what it closed at.

[Brent Huigens]

Just wanted to quickly touch base on this thread.

This was absolutely one of the stranger results last night. The high bidder placed a virtually infinite high bid to ensure victory and then saw the bid run up to the staggering closing price, which is multiples above what was expected for the card.

The bid history looks very concerning with the under bidder driving the price incrementally as they did. Upon first glance it looks like a clear cut case of manipulation but then as the auction progressed the under bidder in question managed to win additional items using a similar bidding practice. These items have all been paid for as of this morning.

Even still,, we may cancel the auction and relist if the high bidder is uncomfortable with the circumstances.

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

[SMPEP]

I don't get that. You say the underbidder is legit. So why cancel the auction? There were two legitimate bidders. They both put in their bids. Highest one wins.

That the amount doesn't make sense to most of us is not a reason to cancel a fair auction.

Just my 2 cents.
Patrick

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Same dude who bought the Cobb for $16k. Apparently, unlimited funds and little regard for market pricing. But good news for holders of mid-grade Bakers, I guess.

Must be nice

[Sean]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

I don't get that. You say the underbidder is legit. So why cancel the auction? There were two legitimate bidders. They both put in their bids. Highest one wins.

That the amount doesn't make sense to most of us is not a reason to cancel a fair auction.

Just my 2 cents.
Patrick

+1 If a buyer posts a virtually infinite bid, he should anticipate such a result.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Just wanted to quickly touch base on this thread.

This was absolutely one of the stranger results last night. The high bidder placed a virtually infinite high bid to ensure victory and then saw the bid run up to the staggering closing price, which is multiples above what was expected for the card.

The bid history looks very concerning with the under bidder driving the price incrementally as they did. Upon first glance it looks like a clear cut case of manipulation but then as the auction progressed the under bidder in question managed to win additional items using a similar bidding practice. These items have all been paid for as of this morning.

Even still,, we may cancel the auction and relist if the high bidder is uncomfortable with the circumstances.

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

Perhaps you gave them (the cosigner) the infinite amount. Then the "under bidder" drove up the price that way ???

I think you need a time-out

16 total posts by this guy and he happens to come around and post on this subject. Yeah I'll buy that for a dollar.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Perhaps you gave them (the cosigner) the infinite amount. Then the "under bidder" drove up the price that way ???

I think you need a time-out

16 total posts by this guy and he happens to come around and post on this subject. Yeah I'll buy that for a dollar.

You might save that dollar to buy a clue.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Perhaps you gave them (the cosigner) the infinite amount. Then the "under bidder" drove up the price that way ???

I think you need a time-out

16 total posts by this guy and he happens to come around and post on this subject. Yeah I'll buy that for a dollar.

"Just iN Case ya MiSS'd it!?"

HE "iS" PWCC...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

"Just iN Case ya MiSS'd it!?"

HE "iS" PWCC...

Same guy that was insinuating, if not accusing, me of bad stuff too. I say we should always consider the source. When an idiot says something many times it is idiotic.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Perhaps you gave them (the cosigner) the infinite amount. Then the "under bidder" drove up the price that way ???

I think you need a time-out

16 total posts by this guy and he happens to come around and post on this subject. Yeah I'll buy that for a dollar.

Why is his number of total posts relevant? He gave you his explanation of what happened. Believe him or don't, that's up to you. If nothing else I think it's nice he actually goes on forums to address controversial issues. I don't think an Auction House owner should be posting more than once in a while on a forum designed for collectors.

[Jeff_cvc]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Just wanted to quickly touch base on this thread.

This was absolutely one of the stranger results last night. The high bidder placed a virtually infinite high bid to ensure victory and then saw the bid run up to the staggering closing price, which is multiples above what was expected for the card.

The bid history looks very concerning with the under bidder driving the price incrementally as they did. Upon first glance it looks like a clear cut case of manipulation but then as the auction progressed the under bidder in question managed to win additional items using a similar bidding practice. These items have all been paid for as of this morning.

Even still,, we may cancel the auction and relist if the high bidder is uncomfortable with the circumstances.

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions

Brent,
Thank you for posting and addressing this thread. I can appreciate when an AH takes the time to address an issue in this forum, especially in a non-combative manner. It shows me that they care about their reputation and their customer (which are many on Net54).

I was very excited to win a card in the latest PWCC auction. I thought it went for an appropriate amount, especially considering I got it a little under my max bid. This is the third time I've won an auction from PWCC and the service has always been top notch. They immediately give me positive feedback upon payment, the card is shipped the following day and packaged securely. Lastly, I appreciate them advertising on Net54 which helps keep this forum relevant and thriving.

Thanks,
Jeff Rogoff