Alert: a tale of two 51B Mantles

[jb67]

Originally Posted by jcc6252

50/50 chance it's a PSA labeling error, but good work Pete.
Here's a card with a short hyphen in "VG-EX".

Good work on posting the card with the short hyphen. There are no spaces before and after the hyphen on the card you posted. The Ebay card has spaces. Maybe PSA has printed labels using spaces along with not using spaces with the short hyphen. Maybe someone can add more in regards to PSA label printing. I know they have changed several times over the years.

[CW]

The short hyphen card that Jim posted is also the old flip, so it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison. Also, a PSA labeling error is more akin to a typo or mislabeled issue. It would be nearly impossible and a complete coincidence for PSA to assign the same SN to the same exact card. It is much more likely that the eBay card is a fake or lower grade card inside a compromised holder. The eBay card shows a good deal of frosting on the edges of the holder as well.

[pawpawdiv9]

Yeah, he looks also a bit sun-burned in the color tone.

[Jobu]

Stuff like this scares the shite out of me, especially as I have been considering getting a 51 Mantle. Thanks for posting it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Stuff like this scares the shite out of me, especially as I have been considering getting a 51 Mantle. Thanks for posting it.

One of the more noxious forms of hobby fraud, though of course far from the only one. Restores your faith in humanity, doesn't it?

[steve B]

Unfortunately it's nothing new especially with this card.

In I think 1982 maybe 81 a dealer I know showed me a 51 Mantle and asked me what I thought about it. After a few minutes of looking at it I said "It's in beautiful condition, but it's fake. I can't put my finger on anything in particular, but it's just "wrong" "

Apparently that was the opinion of the dealer and also of the 4-5 other dealers who had passed on buying it earlier. Nobody could point to anything and say "it's fake because of this. " but everyone thought it was fake.

I wonder where that card is today, it was very convincing, and if it wasn't for being able to handle stacks of Bowmans pretty much everywhere back then it might not be obvious.

Steve B

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by steve B

Unfortunately it's nothing new especially with this card.

In I think 1982 maybe 81 a dealer I know showed me a 51 Mantle and asked me what I thought about it. After a few minutes of looking at it I said "It's in beautiful condition, but it's fake. I can't put my finger on anything in particular, but it's just "wrong" "

Apparently that was the opinion of the dealer and also of the 4-5 other dealers who had passed on buying it earlier. Nobody could point to anything and say "it's fake because of this. " but everyone thought it was fake.

I wonder where that card is today, it was very convincing, and if it wasn't for being able to handle stacks of Bowmans pretty much everywhere back then it might not be obvious.

Steve B

you would think that there are flips that look exactly like the original..it seems everyone is counting on the font being different or hyphen but we all know there will be exact lookalikes of the flip eventually...the card will never be exactly alike but its obvious there are graded cards out there that will be impossible to tell on the internet that people are buying that are fakes