What Is the Median Scarcity for Old Judge Poses?

[ullmandds]

Wow that klusman is crisp.

[baztacula]

I'd like to see all of the Toad Ramsey OJs out there. There are three known poses with two being batting poses, which I find ridiculous because Toad was a sucky hitter and was always known for his pitching prowess. So my favorite Toad pose is of him pitching.


Whenever I Google Ramsey I come across the Burdick Toads and stare at them for a while. The pitching Burdick Toad has such a clear image, along with a dollop of cured glue at the bottom...


Another one I like to gaze upon is from the Dave's Vintage page, which I guess came from one of the two "finds" from over 10 years ago. It's a sweet one...



So if you have a Toad of any pose, please post a scan. I'd especially like to see the SGC 70 and SGC 60 examples that show up in the population report search. I'm disappointed that SGC doesn't specify poses in their registry. I'm curious if one of the SGC Toads is the Dave's Vintage Toad.

Here is mine, which I've posted before...

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Wow that klusman is crisp.

Thanks Pete. It's an amazing card; looks like it was pulled from a pack this morning. I bought it from Jay 6 or 7 years ago. Maybe he knows something about its origin (sorry Jay -- no pressure!) . . . .

[oldjudge]

Unfortunately, I don't remember where it came from.

[jcmtiger]

I have about 35 Old Judge cards. includes all the 1887 Detroit Wolverines, all poses. I find the Detroit players are difficult to find , especially for me.

Joe

[baztacula]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

I have about 35 Old Judge cards. includes all the 1887 Detroit Wolverines, all poses. I find the Detroit players are difficult to find , especially for me.

Joe

Joe, I think I saw your post from a while ago showing all those Old Judge Detroit guys. Very impressive. I have the #1 ranked 1978 Burger King Detroit Tigers set on the PSA Registry... so if you ever want to trade sets, send me a message!

[oldjudge]

Joe, Kevin Cummings and myself have performed some extensive analysis, and the quick and dirty is that we think the best guess as to the number of baseball Old Judges (N172s) in existence, both in private hands and in public venues, is about 35,000. This implies that on average there are about 14 copies per pose. However, the variation around this number is pretty wide. Joe will post more about this, including some year by year details, at a later time.

[sreader3]

Wow, thanks guys for your efforts on this. It really puts OJ scarcity into perspective. Jay/Joe/Richard's book relates so much detail with so much seeming ease that it lulls the casual reader into thinking these cards must be more common than 14 per pose by at least an order of magnitude!

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Joe, Kevin Cummings and myself have performed some extensive analysis, and the quick and dirty is that we think the best guess as to the number of baseball Old Judges (N172s) in existence, both in private hands and in public venues, is about 35,000. This implies that on average there are about 14 copies per pose. However, the variation around this number is pretty wide. Joe will post more about this, including some year by year details, at a later time.

Thanks for putting in the work Jay and Joe. I figured the 40K guess wasn't far off. With the new number I realized I own at least 1% of all OJ cards, higher % for some individual players