Is Dahlen a lock ????? VS others at position why not ??

[Topps206]

I'd love an explanation from those who actually voted.

[tedzan]

Jack Glasscock and Bill Dahlen are long overdue candidates for the HOF.











Lefty O'Doul is another long overdue candidate for the HOF. How does a guy whose 11-year career BA = .349 not be in the BB HOF ?
I do not understand this. Can anyone on this forum explain why this is so ? ?

Furthermore, check out Lefty's 1929 numbers with the Phillies......

154 Games
638 AB
254 Hits
.398 BA
32 = HR
152 Runs
122 RBI
.465 OBP
.622 SLG

The following year (1930) with the Phillies, Lefty hit for a .383 BA with 202 Hits, and 37 HR's.

I guess that's why he's smiling in this photo (circa 1930) wearing a Phillies uniform.



TED Z
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[Topps206]

I love the Dahlen Brooklyn.

[bn2cardz]

Lefty O'Doul is not a HOF player.

He played parts of 13 seasons, but only 6 seasons did he get more than 100 games played. 4 seasons he was used as a pitcher, but only got 34 games with 1 start in 77.2 innings pitched. His ERA in that time was 4.87 and gave up 104 hits.

He only has 970 games to his career and 811 of them came from a 6 year span. He essentially had 3 good seasons as a LF 1929, 1930, and 1932. In the 811 games he played between 1928 - 1933 his stats would look HOF caliber, but he just didn't have a full career to warrant HOF induction.

[packs]

He is a HOFer as much as anyone else. He was part of the game for 30 plus years and is a major reason we have Japanese players in Major League Baseball. O'Doul should be elected as a contributor of the game. His influence on it has been multi-national and he is one of the few people to achieve something like that.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by packs

He is a HOFer as much as anyone else. He was part of the game for 30 plus years and is a major reason we have Japanese players in Major League Baseball. O'Doul should be elected as a contributor of the game. His influence on it has been multi-national and he is one of the few people to achieve something like that.

I guess I should have clarified he shouldn't be inducted as a player. That is what I was refuting since it was his playing stats that were brought up two posts prior to mine.

[z28jd]

Lefty O'Doul had some great years, but 1929-30 are huge years for offense in baseball and four of his other seasons, he had a combined 72 at-bats. He just didn't play enough. His most comparable player all-time is Rusty Greer according to baseball similarity scores, which looks at their overall contribution. He has zero chance of making the Hall of Fame with those credentials. He needed another 4-5 years in the majors instead of toiling in the PCL

[Joshchisox08]

Tony Mullane:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...ullato01.shtml

George Van Haltren:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...anhage01.shtml


To be honest I would have voted Dahlen and that's it because with the exception of Wes Ferrell (who isn't a HOF player) I don't know who anyone else was to be educated enough to vote for. Maybe this is how the voters vote................

[tedzan]

Three insignificant years of MLB, and 20 years as a Manager.


While, O'Doul had 11 years of better than average playing as a Major Leaguer, and 20 very successful years as a Manager in the PCL.

During that time, Lefty was responsible for many great Major League ballplayers (especially from the SF Seals).

I could say a lot more on this subject....but, it will only stir up turbulence


TED Z
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[Topps206]

I have no qualms with Lefty O'Doul, but what's the problem with Lasorda?

[packs]

I think he's making an inclusion argument. If one then the other. I have to agree too. It makes no sense to put Lasorda in for his service time as a manager and not O'Doul, even if O'Doul's service was at the minor league level.