Baseball Hall Of Fame election

[w7imel]

Maris stats were respectable as well. 275 hr, 2 time mvp, seven world series apperences and a gold glove. Not to metion you take away Bonds, Mcguire and sosa's steroid inflated numbers and Maris would still be king.

[esd10]

tomy mullane is more deserving than Blyleven to have a plaque in the hof

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by esd10

tomy mullane is more deserving than Blyleven to have a plaque in the hof

I don't see why it should be one or the other.

[packs]

Hack Wilson is in the HOF because of one season. Dizzy Dean is in because of his 30 win season. I don't see what makes their seasons more remarkable than Maris'.

[Topps206]

I'm thinking Dean was better as a pitcher than Maris was a player. It's not the best argument to use that Y should be in if X is also in.

[packs]

It's an argument that people use every year, especially when it comes to 3,000 hits or 500 home runs or 300 wins.

[Topps206]

I do support those who reach magical milestones, so long as they're clean. I think the case could be made Hack Wilson deserves it more than Maris does.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by w7imel

Maris stats were respectable as well. 275 hr, 2 time mvp, seven world series apperences and a gold glove. Not to metion you take away Bonds, Mcguire and sosa's steroid inflated numbers and Maris would still be king.

Players with more home runs (Too many to name) or just as many MVP awards (Murphy) aren't in. Some had more World Series appearances (Joe Collins) not even a blip on the radar. You can win a handful of Gold Gloves (Freehan) and that doesn't suffice.

Mazeroski's main reason for the HOF is his homer off of Ralph Terry. Do we want to induct someone simply because of a terrific home run year when people arguably think he shouldn't have even been MVP?

[w7imel]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Players with more home runs (Too many to name) or just as many MVP awards (Murphy) aren't in. Some had more World Series appearances (Joe Collins) not even a blip on the radar. You can win a handful of Gold Gloves (Freehan) and that doesn't suffice.

Mazeroski's main reason for the HOF is his homer off of Ralph Terry. Do we want to induct someone simply because of a terrific home run year when people arguably think he shouldn't have even been MVP?

My point being Maris should be talked about by future baseball fans. Not having him in the HOF you risk future generations not knowing or hearing about one of the most remarkable season in baseball. Does that make sence?

[toyman55]

Originally Posted by w7imel

My point being Maris should be talked about by future baseball fans. Not having him in the HOF you risk future generations not knowing or hearing about one of the most remarkable season in baseball. Does that make sence?

I agree with you Michael, not only was Roger's 61 season one of the greatest of all time with he and Mantle going toe to toe, but, Roger was a class act and deserves to be in the Hall too. For my two cents worth I also feel the Steroid players should have their place in the hall as well especially when you consider things Cobb, Ruth, Williams and other greats in the hall did as well. ( I Know I
Am Going To Get Blasted For This Opinion)

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by w7imel

My point being Maris should be talked about by future baseball fans. Not having him in the HOF you risk future generations not knowing or hearing about one of the most remarkable season in baseball. Does that make sence?

I think future fans and younger generations will know about him just fine, especially if his name is brought up because people don't acknowledge the PED users having surpassed him. Future fans and younger generations can discuss Maris without his induction into Cooperstown.

[w7imel]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I think future fans and younger generations will know about him just fine, especially if his name is brought up because people don't acknowledge the PED users having surpassed him. Future fans and younger generations can discuss Maris without his induction into Cooperstown.

Try asking 10 teenage boys who are little League players who Roger Maris is and I think you will be surprised how many cant answer it.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by w7imel

Try asking 10 teenage boys who are little League players who Roger Maris is and I think you will be surprised how many cant answer it.

The same would be true of 80% of actual HOFers!

[theshleps]

My son batboyed for TEAM USA when they were practicing in AZ awhile back. Frank Robinson was manager and players like Mauer, Wainwright and many others (most eventually made the majors). The vast majority of the team did not know that Frank ever played in the majors, let alone was in the HOF. True story
Baseball history is sorely lacking today. take kids getting autographs- they will go after a scrub player and it you offer to trade satchel paige for the scrub he won't know who he is. Or when I used to go to hotels in the 60's to get mlb teams I remember running after Dick Green but then letting Marlon Brando walk buy not caring. And Buddy Rich couldn't convince any of us kids to get his autograph.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by w7imel

Try asking 10 teenage boys who are little League players who Roger Maris is and I think you will be surprised how many cant answer it.

Ask them who Kiki Cuyler is. Or Eddie Collins. Or Nap Lajoie. Or Dazzy Vance. Burleigh Grimes. I could go on and on.

It's their responsibility to learn the history of the game, not someone to induct an undeserving player that most people should know anyway.

[w7imel]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Ask them who Kiki Cuyler is. Or Eddie Collins. Or Nap Lajoie. Or Dazzy Vance. Burleigh Grimes. I could go on and on.

It's their responsibility to learn the history of the game, not someone to induct an undeserving player that most people should know anyway.

I agree Maris stats may not be as good as most in HOF, I believe character and what you mean to the game should also carry equally amount of weight when being concidered for the HOF. If you go by stats only then you would elect the steroid guys right? The reason they haven,t been elected is character flaws not stats.