Need help with an odd Babe Ruth Kashin Card

Jobu · #1 12-12-2015, 09:09 PM

Ha! Well, so much for that. Shoulda kept my mouth shut.

pencil1974 · #2 12-12-2015, 09:39 PM

No your'e good Bryan. I'm not saying its not modern it could be and just has an old musty smell because it was in a basement for a few years or a warehouse. I'm just trying to piece together where it came from. Because what ever it is was done very nicely. Leon can attest to that this is not some cheap knock off and time and effort were put into it.

Leon · #3 12-12-2015, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pencil1974

No your'e good Bryan. I'm not saying its not modern it could be and just has an old musty smell because it was in a basement for a few years or a warehouse. I'm just trying to piece together where it came from. Because what ever it is was done very nicely. Leon can attest to that this is not some cheap knock off and time and effort were put into it.

It's a better knock off than other fake cards. But the gloss on the paper is way too "even" looking. I would love to know what the paper is. You might check with one our resident photo experts, DRCY....David Ru.dd Cycl.eback....he might know what that paper is.

pencil1974 · #4 12-12-2015, 10:02 PM

I know David, I have his email I may see if he would be interested in taking a look. I'm always up for opinions, that's how we tend to learn in life and in this hobby.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 12-12-2015, 10:24 PM

It has been my impression that Steve B knows an awful lot about paper too, maybe ask him.

steve B · #6 12-13-2015, 05:20 PM

Thanks Peter. I don't think of my self as knowing paper as well as some other things.

I also don't know a whole lot about the Kashin set.

The closeups look different, but taking photos through a magnifier is difficult, so if someone with a publishing background says the halftone is identical I'll go with that.

If Kashin got their images from a place that supplied images to all sorts of publishers it's possible that they bought a halftone that was a copy. Some places supplied halftones ready to use, the buyer could add text or do cropping etc. Supplying photos to make halftones from was more common.
Duplicates would either be done from a master halftone negative, or done through the same screen while it was setup.

Once someone had the "original " elements like a halftone negative, they could make a plate with whatever size image they wanted, since a lithography plate is a type of photographic print (within reason, there's technical limits and limits to the skill of the operator.) And the new item would have the identical halftone. Other sorts of plates are also created photographically.

That's not done much anymore, the modern stuff is digital straight to the press. It might be doable with really good scans of a Kashin, but I'm thinking it would be a ton of work to get it "right"

So that's one possibility, something made from a commercially available halftone.

Steve B

Leon · #7 12-15-2015, 08:43 AM

Whatever the situation with the Kashin in question it had a different process to make it, and is on very different paper, than the originals. I still personally think it's 1970s-1980s commemorative remake, such as TCMA did.

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