No HOF For Pete

Peter_Spaeth · #1 12-14-2015, 07:13 PM

I think he's done adequate penance, at this point. Let the punishment fit the crime. I would reinstate him.

Snapolit1 · #2 12-14-2015, 07:18 PM

I agree. He's not OJ Simpson. Or Hernandez from the Patriots. He deserves to be reinstated. People can make their own judgement.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 12-14-2015, 08:21 PM

I would put him in the Hall of Fame solely on the basis of two things he said. One, "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." Two, when asked why he was taking batting practice on a day off following a doubleheader in which he went 6 for 8, he said, "They got me out twice."

Romahawk · #4 12-14-2015, 08:29 PM

He is banned from baseball activity not the HOF according to the commissioner...

Later in that paragraph, Manfred concludes:

The issue of whether Mr. Rose should be eligible for Hall of Fame election under the bylaws of that organization presents an entirely different policy determination that is focused on a range of considerations distinct from the more narrow question before me � i.e., whether I believe that Mr. Rose's reinstatement would be consonant with the policy rationale underlying Rule 21. Thus, any debate over Mr. Rose's eligibility for the Hall of Fame is one that must take place in a different forum.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...183831192.html

Peter_Spaeth · #5 12-14-2015, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romahawk

He is banned from baseball activity not the HOF according to the commissioner...

Later in that paragraph, Manfred concludes:

The issue of whether Mr. Rose should be eligible for Hall of Fame election under the bylaws of that organization presents an entirely different policy determination that is focused on a range of considerations distinct from the more narrow question before me — i.e., whether I believe that Mr. Rose's reinstatement would be consonant with the policy rationale underlying Rule 21. Thus, any debate over Mr. Rose's eligibility for the Hall of Fame is one that must take place in a different forum.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...183831192.html

That's sort of disingenuous because the HOF decades ago adopted a policy that anyone on the lifetime MLB baned list was also ineligible for the Hall, and obviously Manfred knows that and knows it isn't going to change.

Topps206 · #6 12-14-2015, 09:29 PM

They could always change it. You never know.

That said, I'd let him in since there's no evidence he bet against the Reds.

RTK · #7 12-14-2015, 10:15 PM

Good

Bored5000 · #8 12-15-2015, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topps206

That said, I'd let him in since there's no evidence he bet against the Reds.

The prohibition on betting doesn't go away as long as a person bets on their team to win. Even if a person bets their team to win, it opens up the obvious risk of blackmail as soon as the first bet is made, whether it is to win or lose on a player or manager's own team.

I am all for Rose being banned forever. The punishment does fit the crime.

CMIZ5290 · #9 12-16-2015, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think he's done adequate penance, at this point. Let the punishment fit the crime. I would reinstate him.

+1 big time, Hell, 26 years is enough punishment. Look at others in the Hall, some have very shaky backgrounds....

JustinD · #10 12-16-2015, 07:37 PM

I fall on the side of it being the "baseball" hall of fame not the "personality and upstanding moral character" hall of fame.

To leave out the all time hits leader, home run record holders, arguably the best pitcher in history, and others in a misguided attempt to legislate character takes the credibility of this being a shrine to the "greatest to play the game" and rumples it like a ball of discarded paper into a trash bin.

Do I like them all?

Hell no.

Should the best to play the game be in the hall of fame no matter what?

Hell yes.

Mountaineer1999 · #11 12-16-2015, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinD

I fall on the side of it being the "baseball" hall of fame not the "personality and upstanding moral character" hall of fame.

To leave out the all time hits leader, home run record holders, arguably the best pitcher in history, and others in a misguided attempt to legislate character takes the credibility of this being a shrine to the "greatest to play the game" and rumples it like a ball of discarded paper into a trash bin.

Do I like them all?

Hell no.

Should the best to play the game be in the hall of fame no matter what?

Hell yes.

+1 , We should all start a Boycott of the HOF and maybe then they change their holier-than-thou ways.

HRBAKER · #12 12-16-2015, 08:14 PM

I understand it completely. The juicers and cheaters basically made a mockery of the records books and were paid handsomely all along the way for doing it. They knew it was wrong but they chose the fame, the money and all that comes with it. On top of that most all of them lied and denied it all the way. If they didn't think it was wrong, why deny it? They knew. Denying them entry is the only real tangible way of punishing them - that's how the writers look at it.

Pete broke the ONE rule that was guaranteed to get your ass in a life long crack, made a deal and then proceeded for decades to lie about it and basically conduct himself in an "in your face" manner toward MLB and he's getting the shaft? My patoot.

Mountaineer1999 · #13 12-16-2015, 09:44 PM

John McGraw... throw him out!
1905 - John McGraw, manager of the National League's New York Giants, wins $400 betting on his team to win the 1905 World Series. McGraw had held his team out of the 1904 Series against Boston because of a grudge against American League president Ban Johnson, who had suspended and publicly ripped McGraw for his boorish on-field behavior during McGraw's tenure as an American League manager, but he agreed to take on Connie Mack's Philadelphia A's following the '05 season. Led by Christy Mathewson's three shutouts (thrown in a span of six days), the Giants beat the A's in five games and McGraw got his money and his revenge on Johnson. The winnings were known to the public, and would have gotten McGraw banned from baseball in a later day.

Romahawk · #14 01-19-2016, 08:27 PM

I see that Pete Rose is to be inducted into the Reds Hall Of Fame and they are retiring his number 14. I see they are also erecting a statue in his honor at the park. Finlay Pete gets this well deserved recognition. It's not Cooperstown but it's the crack in the door that surely should swing open for him sooner or later. I just hope it's in his lifetime so that he can enjoy his greatest tribute.

Peter_Spaeth · #15 12-16-2015, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinD

I fall on the side of it being the "baseball" hall of fame not the "personality and upstanding moral character" hall of fame.

To leave out the all time hits leader, home run record holders, arguably the best pitcher in history, and others in a misguided attempt to legislate character takes the credibility of this being a shrine to the "greatest to play the game" and rumples it like a ball of discarded paper into a trash bin.

Do I like them all?

Hell no.

Should the best to play the game be in the hall of fame no matter what?

Hell yes.

If the electors want to vote against Rose, then so be it. I would disagree, but at least he would have had a shot. Make him eligible, if he had committed virtually any crime except first degree murder he would have served his time by now. Enough is enough of the punishment. And yeah, he is a jerk, a liar, and so forth. Probably a compulsive gambler. But he has been punished for 25 YEARS. Enough.

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