1967 Topps high # "unofficial" price guide

[toppcat]

1967 is to my mind the best looking set of the 60's and I would say it could even be the best design of any Topps set if pressed (my top designs in chrono. order: 52 55 57 67 71 72). I find the high numbers fascinating and did a bit of an update on the math in a post about four years ago. Worth a look if you are interested in the SP and DP theories.
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[Rich Klein]

Dave:

I know we have had this discussion but I'm in agreement with the OP's list of 67 Hi #'s

I know from my dealing days back in the day -- that most of those cards listed as DP's were

1) Much easier to find in lots

2) Much Harder to sell to collectors

3) Available easily from other dealers

Rich

[toppcat]

Somewhere that other half of the sheet is out there. I'm hoping Mulder and Scully can find it.

[glynparson]

There are several I would buy every copy you can get me at some of those prices.

[rsdill2]

Originally Posted by glynparson

There are several I would buy every copy you can get me at some of those prices.

Totally agree. My "price guide" is essentially an if you can buy an EX or better copy at that price, do it.

[parkerj33]

Having spent a lot of time with this set a few years ago, i am with DaveH, and there really aren't dp and sp, but 4p, 3p, and 2p....and those prices listed are super low for many....a 583 barker for $15? only a beater.

specifically, summaryizing dave's post:

for each FULL 264-card 7th series sheet:

44 cards are printed 4 times - these are the true fairly-easy "double prints" - and we have solid evidence that these are truly 2x rows on each sheet.
22 cards are printed 3 times - these are in between!
11 cards are printed 2 times - these are the true TOUGHIES (including seaver rookie). "single prints"

I don't know why topps didn't just print all 88 cards 3 times across the two sheets....thus they would all be regular prints.

[rsdill2]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Having spent a lot of time with this set a few years ago, i am with DaveH, and there really aren't dp and sp, but 4p, 3p, and 2p....and those prices listed are super low for many....a 583 barker for $15? only a beater.

specifically, summaryizing dave's post:

for each FULL 264-card 7th series sheet:

44 cards are printed 4 times - these are the true fairly-easy "double prints" - and we have solid evidence that these are truly 2x rows on each sheet.
22 cards are printed 3 times - these are in between!
11 cards are printed 2 times - these are the true TOUGHIES (including seaver rookie). "single prints"

I don't know why topps didn't just print all 88 cards 3 times across the two sheets....thus they would all be regular prints.

I think the 583 Barker $15 is pretty close. Checking ebay recent sales there's over a dozen that have sold for < $20 including several solid raw examples and even a PSA 5 that sold for $20 BIN. Again, my prices listed are what I consider a "don't pass up" price. If you can buy an EX or better one at that price, do it.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Having spent a lot of time with this set a few years ago, i am with DaveH, and there really aren't dp and sp, but 4p, 3p, and 2p....and those prices listed are super low for many....a 583 barker for $15? only a beater.

specifically, summaryizing dave's post:

for each FULL 264-card 7th series sheet:

44 cards are printed 4 times - these are the true fairly-easy "double prints" - and we have solid evidence that these are truly 2x rows on each sheet.
22 cards are printed 3 times - these are in between!
11 cards are printed 2 times - these are the true TOUGHIES (including seaver rookie). "single prints"

I don't know why topps didn't just print all 88 cards 3 times across the two sheets....thus they would all be regular prints.

I have been working on this set for a while, and other than the Mantle and Seaver, the high numbers are what is slowing my progress. I'm not too condition conscious, but some of the cards are hotly contested even in less than perfect shape.
I really enjoy reading the information found on this board, and recently found this thread, and the above post has me confused. There are 75 cards from 534-609, yet the post suggests printing "all 88". Am I missing something? I'm guessing there's a simple explanation, but my mind isn't as sharp as it used to be.
Thanks in advance for any help.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by glynparson

There are several I would buy every copy you can get me at some of those prices.

Me too. I have built two 67 sets in the last 3 years and auctions and set breaks are really competitive. Most of those seem like some of the VG+ stale BIN prices honestly. If this is as you said "see that price grab it" then yes, absolutely. I've never seen a Belanger at that price but I haven't had to look in about a year...THANK GOODNESS...lol.

I think it needs to be said that prices are pretty strong on some of the 6th Series cards as well. Shoendists and McCarver come to mind...very auction competitive...

[Rich Klein]

Red S and Tim M are higher priced for 2 reasons

1) I think they are legit harder in that series

2) They are both popular Cardinals and for whatever reason the 6th series did NOT hit the St Louis area in 1967 -- but the 7th series was released in much larger than expected quantities for a final series. I suspect the 7th series has something to do with the Cardinals coasting to the NL Pennant and then the World Series win versus the Red Sox (probably the last time I ever rooted for the Red Sox other than 75 vs the Reds)

Yes, anything is possible with the 67 Hi series and yes I bet some of the "Tougher" cards are cheap at the listed price but that list approaches realty for the most part.

[Harliduck]

Rich...great stuff and thanks for that info, makes a lot of sense.

There is a trend, especially in commons, for certain years for certain teams to carry a slight premium -

1964 - Mets
1968 - Tigers
1969 - Mets

I am sure there are more but 67 in Cardinals in general would probably make that list. Crazy to learn an entire market didn't get a series of cards. No different than my childhood with 75 Topps...I didn't see a large card until a show in the late 80s...all we had were mini's. And those dreaded OPeeCHee cards (I lived close to the border north of Seattle)...we hated them..ripped them up and threw them out...haha...I still have a few beaters in my childhood collection from the late 70's....

Thanks again for that...I love that info

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Me too. I have built two 67 sets in the last 3 years and auctions and set breaks are really competitive. Most of those seem like some of the VG+ stale BIN prices honestly. If this is as you said "see that price grab it" then yes, absolutely. I've never seen a Belanger at that price but I haven't had to look in about a year...THANK GOODNESS...lol.

I think it needs to be said that prices are pretty strong on some of the 6th Series cards as well. Shoendists and McCarver come to mind...very auction competitive...

I updated my want list last night, and I am done with 1-533, except for Mantle, but still need 42 high numbers, including Seaver. I checked some cards on Ebay last night, and got sticker shock on some of them, and noticed that many had no VG examples, which is what I'm after. Time to do some searching.
I know I will eventually finish this off, but it looks like it may take a little longer than I thought.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

I updated my want list last night, and I am done with 1-533, except for Mantle, but still need 42 high numbers, including Seaver. I checked some cards on Ebay last night, and got sticker shock on some of them, and noticed that many had no VG examples, which is what I'm after. Time to do some searching.
I know I will eventually finish this off, but it looks like it may take a little longer than I thought.

There were some low priced 67 highs on BST and they didn't last long. I have a bunch of dupes, but I'll probably sell them in a lot with my lows, lest I be stuck with the lows. Still stuck at 2 for the set...

535 Donn Clenendon
586 Manny Jimenez

The 61s are the ones that are killing me right now. I am trying to finish it (birth year set) but it's a grind.