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01-28-2016, 02:05 PM
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How do you prove something was a shill bid? Can't the suspected shill bidder -- even if a competitor auctioneer or dealer -- just come back and say "Well of course we all follow each others' auctions and try to steal things at low prices if we can. I would have taken that Mantle card at $10,000 happily. . . . I suspected others would come along and far outbid me but crazier things have happened . . . ."
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01-28-2016, 02:06 PM
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I guess this might be one of those examples of "First World Problems" that are often joked about. Not a joking matter here, of course, but I am nowhere near having this problem. I have never bid on an auction that wasn't on ebay and I am definitely a low end collector compared to just about any item shown on this report. It is likely that via ebay, I have been a victim of paying more than I would have w/o a shill bidder. I snipe just about everything and have for years now. Although that will help protect you from those pesky "nibblers" that bid up your proxy bids until you are maxed or they just slightly outbid you, you still pay more regardless if someone tosses out a shill bid anywhere within the listing timeframe. Kind of like those victimless line items from the report.
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01-28-2016, 02:10 PM
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Here is the list of schill bidders removing the duplicates
These are the names that appear in the Shill Bidder column of that list only, this does not includes the Consignors just to clarify
Alex Sawchak Alex Sawchak and William Vangelos Andrew Caparelli Andrew Filipowski Andrew Filipowski and Mastro Auctions Andy Tuttle Barbara Simmons Bill Boehm Bill Mastro Bill Mastro and Andrew Filipowski Bill Mastro and Jeffrey Marren Bill Mastro and John Reznikoff Bill Mastro and Millard Fisher Bill Mastro, Mastro Auctions Bill Mastro, Rich Mantia, Mastro Auctions Bill Mastro, Ryan Friedman Brian Bigelow Brian Marren Cardboard Coll. Cardboard Collectibles Chad Dreier Chad Vandemark Chris Porter Chris Porter and Kirk Wagonlander Cliff Kakelik and Mastro Auctions Cliff Kekelik Craig Helling Cynthia Graves Darryl Abramowitz Dave Forman Dennis Beechy Derek Ihnat Diroberto, Helling Diroberto, Marronpot Doug Allen Doug Allen and Andrew Filipowski Doug Allen and Bill Mastro Doug Allen and John Reznikoff Doug Allen and Mastro Auctions Doug Allen, Reznikoff Mastro Edward (Josh) Petrie Eric Grigson Frank Diroberto Frank Diroberto, Marronpot Frank Simmons Greg Floyd Helling Henny Steinbach Irv Lerner Irv Lerner CPA Irv Lerner, CPA Jay Dyer Jay Dyer and Shane Mooney Jay Dyer, Mastro Auctions, Inc, and Shane Mooney Jeff Marren Jeff Marren and John Reznikoff Jeff Marren and Mastro Auctions Jeffrey Marren Jennifer Stein Jerry Zuckerman Jerry Zuckerman and Ralph Deluca Jerry Zuckerman, Joe Demattio Jerry Zuckerman, Ralph Deluca Joe Demattio John Reznikoff John Reznikoff and Mastro Auctions John Reznikoff Jorge Marce Jorge Marce and Andrew Filipowski Jorge Merce Kevin Keating Kevin Keating and Bill Mastro Kevin Keating and Doug Allen Kevin Keating, and Mastro Auctions, Inc. Kevin Keating, John Reznikoff Kevin Keating, Reznikoff / Mastro Kevin Keating, Rich Mantia Kevin Struss Kirk Wagonlander Kirk Wagonlander and Mastro Auctions Kirk Wagonlander, Mastro Auctions Kristin Straub Les Perline Les Perline and Henny Steinbach Les Perline and John Reznikoff Les Perline Les Perlne Les Perlne and Mastro Auctions Loraine Cordes Marc Held Mark Irodenko Mark Irodenko and Andew filipowski Mark Irodenko and Andrew Filipowski Mark Theotikos Mastro Auctions Mastro Auctions and Doug Allen Mastro Auctions and Shane Mooney Mastro Auctions Inc. Mastro Auctions, Inc and Steve Lucas Mastro Auctions, Inc. Mastro Auctions, Inc. and Bill Mastro Mastro Auctions, Inc., and John Reznikoff Mastro Auctions, Inc., and Mark Irodenko Mastro Auctions, Inc., and Ryan Friedman Mastro Auctions, Ryan Friedman Mike Mallon Mike Mallon and Dennis Beechy Mitch Rosen Nicholas Dawes Nick Dawes Nick Dawes and Mastro Auctions Nick Dawes, Mastro Auctions Nick Dawes, Rich Mantia Niel Feltz Peter Calderon Peter Calderon, and Chris Porter Peter Calderon, Bill Mastro Peter Garcia Peter Spaeth Ralph Deluca Ralph Deluca and Jerry Zuckerman Ralph Deluca, Jerry Zuckerman and Joe Demattio Random Treasures Ray Canales Reznikoff/Mastro Reznikoff/Mastro John Reznikoff Rich Mantia Rich Mantia and Mastro Auctions Rich Mantia, Kevin Keating and Bill Boehm Richard Consola Rob Hughes Robert Bordan Rocco Loconte Roco Loconte Roco Loconte and Nick Dawes Ron Oser Russ Pardy Russ Purdy Russ Purdy and Kevin Keating Ryan Friedman Shane Mooney Shane Mooney, Jay Dyer, and Mastro Auctions, Inc. Stephen Spector Steve Forman Steve Lucas Steve Lucas and Brian Bigelow Steve Lucas and Mastro Auctions, Inc. Steven Turner Teale Laney Tim Frystak Tim Frystak, Brian Marren, Chris Porter TJ Schwartz Whit Rutledge William Schonsheck William Vangelos Zach Rullo Last edited by Shoeless Moe; 01-28-2016 at 02:43 PM. |
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01-28-2016, 02:48 PM
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That list is the just the Shill bidders, but not the ones that consigned.
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01-28-2016, 02:54 PM
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I'd love to hear him chime in. His name was on the victim list as well, assuming we're thinking of the same guy. I have to imagine there are a few errors on this spreadsheet.
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01-28-2016, 04:27 PM
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Reluctant To Accept...
That Mrs. Steinbach knowingly participated in this "Low Rent" endeavor. And I wonder who this douche Les Perline is that is so frequently associated with her bidding. I certainly could be naive or confused but I've had a few conversations with Henny and her deceased husband Don and these revelations don't seem to match up with those folks. Could it be a stretch to think that "Higher Up's" could have exploited her account?
What about the CPA engaging in this ongoing horror show? They are held to a very high ethical standard in their profession. I assumed that would carry over to one's personal life. I was, in other years, a bidder/winner on 3 lots and most likely got nicked. |
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01-28-2016, 05:01 PM
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01-28-2016, 03:08 PM
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Zach Rullo, a PSA authenticator caught shill bidding. What is this world coming to?
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01-28-2016, 02:12 PM
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Who is Cardboard Collectibles?
It shows them shilling me Page 81 lot 1856 I am shown as being shilled on a 3rd series Wacky Package stickers full box Graded by GAI. Though I do collect wacky packages, I never won that item. Too funny |
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01-28-2016, 02:39 PM
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01-28-2016, 03:09 PM
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Put another way, do we think their receptionist was part of the shill bidding conspiracy? That seems unlikely. Bill |
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01-28-2016, 03:13 PM
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Why can't a secretary place shill bids for her boss? I'd buy it if all the bids were the in the names of the receptionist and the janitor, but it's not as if the bosses were shy about bidding under their own names.
If others' accounts were surreptitiously 'borrowed' to place illegal bids, perhaps there should have been charges for identity theft. Thus ultimate salt in the wound would be when someone sees he was bid up by Spot. Last edited by drcy; 01-28-2016 at 03:43 PM. |
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01-28-2016, 03:14 PM
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What's the over/under on thread views here?
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01-28-2016, 05:17 PM
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