PWCC Auction

[itjclarke]

Was watching a few closely, but got blown out of the water early on all. Hoping they just regularly strong PWCC prices more so than trends or else I may never get my hands on a couple I really want.

Wasn't interested in this one, but watched it. Clearly a whiff by PSA, and not sure the buyer caught it either... but credit to PWCC for pointing it out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...p2047675.l2557

[iwantitiwinit]

Honestly, I don't even look at the PWCC offered cards on ebay I simply skim over them since I feel I can get a similar card for only 75% of what it would cost me to buy them thru PWCC. Am I alone in this? Why would I chose to pay more.

[glynparson]

From pwcc. They do have a good following but occasionally things slip through the cracks like any other auction. Generally though they do get strong prices.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by glynparson

From pwcc. They do have a good following but occasionally things slip through the cracks like any other auction. Generally though they do get strong prices.

right and you not have to worry about buyers not paying etc when you consign, everyone is saying on this thread that the prices they get are generally strong, some say they they pay 75% elsewhere because PWCC is so strong with prices...seems like a win win for sellers

[savedfrommyspokes]

From last evening.....who would have guessed this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-A...oAAOSwJb9Wq7xG

Two last second bids and the item more than tripled in value and sold for $350 more than the 3rd highest bid

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

From last evening.....who would have guessed this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-A...oAAOSwJb9Wq7xG

Two last second bids and the item more than tripled in value and sold for $350 more than the 3rd highest bid

yeah there is huge price ranges on the rosen but 250-350 is the range without those 2 over market bidders..

even in 1954 topps high grade cards there were big prices..

[kailes2872]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

yeah there is huge price ranges on the rosen but 250-350 is the range without those 2 over market bidders..

even in 1954 topps high grade cards there were big prices..

Was looking at a 54 Williams #250 that was certified high end and it went for about 2.5-3x a normal PSA 6. 1724!!

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by glynparson

From pwcc. They do have a good following but occasionally things slip through the cracks like any other auction. Generally though they do get strong prices.

The cards that slip through the cracks in the PWCC auctions are the ones that honest sellers typically consign. Since I don't shill the stuff I consign to PWCC, you can sometimes get a bargain. Hello people!!! Read the other thread and WAKE UP!!

edited to add that some of my consignments did sell for great prices (so there is certainly a PWCC following)...but it's mostly for the PSA or set-building type cards...the obscure stuff (the stuff that I like) does slip through the cracks sometimes. But if a PWCC auction has the words "PSA" in the item description, you might as well expect to pay 20-40% more than the guy who consigned the card after purchasing it on eBay less than three months prior.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

The cards that slip through the cracks in the PWCC auctions are the ones that honest sellers typically consign. Since I don't shill the stuff I consign to PWCC, you can sometimes get a bargain. Hello people!!! Read the other thread and WAKE UP!!

edited to add that some of my consignments did sell for great prices (so there is certainly a PWCC following)...but it's mostly for the PSA or set-building type cards...the obscure stuff (the stuff that I like) does slip through the cracks sometimes. But if a PWCC auction has the words "PSA" in the item description, you might as well expect to pay 20-40% more than the guy who consigned the card after purchasing it on eBay less than three months prior.

HONESTLY...it's like noone seems to care about PWCC's history?!?!? Keep wearing those blinders folks...after all cardboard trumps all!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

HONESTLY...it's like noone seems to care about PWCC's history?!?!? Keep wearing those blinders folks...after all cardboard trumps all!

20-40% markup on EVERY card within a 3-month period??? I guess I can just quit my job, win cards on Ebay from normal/other sellers, and just consign with PWCC, sit back and collect 30%??? Sounds good!

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

20-40% markup on EVERY card within a 3-month period??? I guess I can just quit my job, win cards on Ebay from normal/other sellers, and just consign with PWCC, sit back and collect 30%??? Sounds good!

I can assure you that someone is doing just that...and likely shilling their auctions to ensure a profit. Keep in mind that PWCC will take at least a 10% cut of that amount, so you can still rake in 10-30% if you are smart. Take a look at some of the items in the last auction and tell me you haven't seen the exact same cards offered before. Just look at VCP images to see. The results may alarm you!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

20-40% markup on EVERY card within a 3-month period??? I guess I can just quit my job, win cards on Ebay from normal/other sellers, and just consign with PWCC, sit back and collect 30%??? Sounds good!

actually you have complained they got low prices for you...cant have it both ways

something that is overlooked is when I was buying 1952 topps..and there was one or two cards I wanted with a seller and I don't use a snipe service..many times I would miss the auction..but when there were 15 or so cards with PWCC I usually made time for that auction and also bid on some other cards in that grouping...when there are 70 or so cards of the same year and grade of a set..theres a chance to get more people bidding on cards they might not have otherwise bid on ...sort of like moves that were playing when star wars was playing were being seen because so many people were at the theater they also saw some of the other movies which they probably would never of seen if they didn't see the new star wars...

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

HONESTLY...it's like noone seems to care about PWCC's history?!?!? Keep wearing those blinders folks...after all cardboard trumps all!

Pete

Just go bang your head against a brick wall. Trust me, it will be less painful!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Pete

Just go bang your head against a brick wall. Trust me, it will be less painful!

I experience no pain watching many of you get ripped off... But it is certainly head shaking!!

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink .

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Honestly, I don't even look at the PWCC offered cards on ebay I simply skim over them since I feel I can get a similar card for only 75% of what it would cost me to buy them thru PWCC. Am I alone in this? Why would I chose to pay more.

+1 Agreed

[Touch'EmAll]

Yes, I too was looking at the T206's in particular. Both Cobb reds seemed to have those blurry eyes. But the prices were over what I thought they would go for. Nice to see actual eBay auctions getting great prices - these cards do not go up for eBay auction as often as they used to years ago.

The 1952 Topps Mays cards went way high also, whew!

Keep your good stuff, folks. Wait another 10 years and slam dunk great investments.

[CW]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Was watching a few closely, but got blown out of the water early on all. Hoping they just regularly strong PWCC prices more so than trends or else I may never get my hands on a couple I really want.

Wasn't interested in this one, but watched it. Clearly a whiff by PSA, and not sure the buyer caught it either... but credit to PWCC for pointing it out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...p2047675.l2557

Maybe I'm out of touch with what a PSA 4 Cy Young glove shows sells for these days, but the pen marks did not seem to hurt the final price. Crazy.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by CW

Maybe I'm out of touch with what a PSA 4 Cy Young glove shows sells for these days, but the pen marks did not seem to hurt the final price. Crazy.

Pretty strong indeed. It actually recently for $1058 too!! Which also seems really strong for a marked card.

[xplainer]

I'm not a big baller, but this weekend, I stopped bidding on a PWCC card because I felt something wasn't right. I was the top bidder until the last day. Then, out of the blue, someone came in and started bumping my bids. I'd increase my bid, and hour or so later, it was bumped again. Happened three times. So, not auto bids I know.

He has 20% bids with the same seller in the past 12 months. With no wins I can see.

It was a low cost card and I bowed out at 20 bucks. But I felt something is wrong when this dude over bids me by 1.50 every couple of hours.

And in the end, he didn't even win. Closed at 27.50.

I know most of you are in it for big bucks. But this stuff also affects us down toward the low end too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I'm not a big baller, but this weekend, I stopped bidding on a PWCC card because I felt something wasn't right. I was the top bidder until the last day. Then, out of the blue, someone came in and started bumping my bids. I'd increase my bid, and hour or so later, it was bumped again. Happened three times. So, not auto bids I know.

He has 20% bids with the same seller in the past 12 months. With no wins I can see.

It was a low cost card and I bowed out at 20 bucks. But I felt something is wrong when this dude over bids me by 1.50 every couple of hours.

And in the end, he didn't even win. Closed at 27.50.

I know most of you are in it for big bucks. But this stuff also affects us down toward the low end too.

Maybe he was wondering why you kept bumping him?

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe he was wondering why you kept bumping him?

so it was you!?!?! and yeah! why where you bumping me? ; )

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I'm not a big baller, but this weekend, I stopped bidding on a PWCC card because I felt something wasn't right. I was the top bidder until the last day. Then, out of the blue, someone came in and started bumping my bids. I'd increase my bid, and hour or so later, it was bumped again. Happened three times. So, not auto bids I know.

He has 20% bids with the same seller in the past 12 months. With no wins I can see.

It was a low cost card and I bowed out at 20 bucks. But I felt something is wrong when this dude over bids me by 1.50 every couple of hours.

And in the end, he didn't even win. Closed at 27.50.

I know most of you are in it for big bucks. But this stuff also affects us down toward the low end too.

I'm not surprised. Again I don't even bother looking at these auctions.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

I'm not surprised. Again I don't even bother looking at these auctions.

the guy that's buying the 1952 Topps Baritromes is in theory a 'legit' buyer...but you don't see me paying $400 for a psa 2...even with the sales history..

past sales to me don't mean much by just looking at how much it sold for..auction price for BIN matters to me...also...I look for unique bidders at certain price points.....a 2 guy bidding war where the winning price is 50% over the third highest bidders high bid also means nothing to me

the artificial inflation is seen as artificial.... im sure if you are smart enough not to bid on 'shilled' auctions then you are smart enough not to fall for artificial sales history....there are many ways to avoid being a victim.......just saying (and I am not excusing fake bidders and undisclosed shilling/reserve etc)

[Touch'EmAll]

I was looking at some high end Aaron's. I even put in a couple of very solid bids, er so I thought - won nothing. On the one hand its nice to see the high prices. But on the other hand, the prices seem a little fishy too high. Just my honest gut feeling. I could be wrong. I suppose look and drool all you want, but watch it, don't go too overboard with your bids.

A good test would be to now list a couple cards that went way high on PWCC with the same prices or say, 5 percent less, with BIN to see if anyone bites.

[bobbyw8469]

A good test would be to now list a couple cards that went way high on PWCC with the same prices or say, 5 percent less, with BIN to see if anyone bites.

I think that has already been proven. Another posted pointed out along time ago that the sales prices surpassed some of the BIN prices, some by a considerable margin.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

I was looking at some high end Aaron's. I even put in a couple of very solid bids, er so I thought - won nothing. On the one hand its nice to see the high prices. But on the other hand, the prices seem a little fishy too high. Just my honest gut feeling. I could be wrong. I suppose look and drool all you want, but watch it, don't go too overboard with your bids.

A good test would be to now list a couple cards that went way high on PWCC with the same prices or say, 5 percent less, with BIN to see if anyone bites.

This has been discussed though, BINs sometimes are never looked at..its not uncommon for a an auction price to go higher on ebay then a current BIN..sometimes thats actually when the BIN is snapped up, right after an auction goes higher...ive done the same thing....heck with the way the willie mays rookie cards have gone up, im sure even some of Deans cards waterfront property cards like the Mantle/ Mays were even bought up after some auctions took place immediately thereafter

Some people just dont pay the same high money for a card from a direct person versus an auction house and also this applies of BIN versus auction.....man looks like i agree with Bobby on this


its almost like the lower bids (hopefully from unique bidders and non shilled) validate the price.......but you can pretty much buy every BIN right now and put those same cards at auction a week later and be certain to lose more than 20% even before ebay fees..i dont think people will disagree with that......many BINs have been listed for months if not years with impacts the perception of some BINs.

if you win every PWCC auction, and resell with PWCC the next month and you are not shlling, i think you lose far less than if you did that with BINs listed on ebay....but who really knows