the list (of criminals) is revealed

[begsu1013]

easy guys, i knew what he was talking about.

and i can understand why any teachers would get offended about it, because ya should!

it's happening in the middle / high school public systems here. basically, the teachers are under a quota for a certain percentage to pass a standardized test or they lose their job. several caught red handed and even found guilty of racketeering. yes, racketeering!

you teachers should be appalled, as well as any parents. it's disgusting, but i don't think his comment was directed at all teachers and certainly not college professors.

it is happening though.

edit: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...401-story.html

[earlywynnfan]

I am appalled, trust me. I'm also appalled at the constant legislation that states we have to meet nearly-random set scores or, in the end, the entire school gets shut down.

IMHO, I also disagree with the shoe sales comparison, too. I think it's a salesperson's JOB to try to get you to buy stuff, the more the better.

But enough of this, let's get back to the main point.

[HRBAKER]

Same thing was a huge deal in Atlanta city schools in the last 10 years, reaching to highest levels of administrators as well. A very few bad apples just like any other profession.

[Snapolit1]

As a lawyer, I endure daily comments, from friends, family, and complete strangers about what a sleazy profession. I am sure there have been dozens of sleazy lawyers comments in this thread alone. I guess I've gotten immune to such nonsense.

Wrong to disparage an entire profession obviously based on the actions of a few knuckleheads.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

As a lawyer, I endure daily comments, from friends, family, and complete strangers about what a sleazy profession. I am sure there have been dozens of sleazy lawyers comments in this thread alone. I guess I've gotten immune to such nonsense.

Wrong to disparage an entire profession obviously based on the actions of a few knuckleheads.

I really don't see any reason to apologize. You pointed out some basic truths on how certain occupations 'stretch the truth' (for lack of a better description). You never once indicated that ALL were guilty in each profession of such 'crimes'. And there is truth to what you said that this DOES happen in each profession.

I do find it interesting that those who teach or have taught were the most vocal in taking offense. Maybe, and as it relates to the thread, they other professions are silent here because they are the ones writing the tickets and using old fish.

And to someone's comment on "certainly not college professors", I'm hoping that was tongue-in-cheek or included rolling eyes.

[D.P.Johnson]

99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name......

[autograf]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name......

60% of the time, it works every time..............

[1880nonsports]

with 79% of all statistics incorrect - as a Florida resident I'll take my full 110% - 40% of me believes you - 40% siding with what lawyers have to say - and 35% of me undecided.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

99% of all lawyers give the rest a bad name......

Its Funny when I went after a (lawyer) I wont say a name in this thread I got a PM and he asked me why I wasnt attacking the other lawyer that was also on the list. I found that very ironic....

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by tschock

I really don't see any reason to apologize. You pointed out some basic truths on how certain occupations 'stretch the truth' (for lack of a better description). You never once indicated that ALL were guilty in each profession of such 'crimes'. And there is truth to what you said that this DOES happen in each profession.

I do find it interesting that those who teach or have taught were the most vocal in taking offense. Maybe, and as it relates to the thread, they other professions are silent here because they are the ones writing the tickets and using old fish.

And to someone's comment on "certainly not college professors", I'm hoping that was tongue-in-cheek or included rolling eyes.

Nope, as a physician AND teacher's son, I rolled my eyes.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

As a lawyer, I endure daily comments, from friends, family, and complete strangers about what a sleazy profession. I am sure there have been dozens of sleazy lawyers comments in this thread alone. I guess I've gotten immune to such nonsense.

Wrong to disparage an entire profession obviously based on the actions of a few knuckleheads.

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Which branches are those?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Which branches are those?

None of them Peter. They are all nice and there should not be any lawyer jokes.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Totally agree. I also think the law itself encourages a lot of this, but the Trial Lawyers Association resists any meaningful tort reform.

In many disputes, one party is in the right while the other isn't, or one party is reasonable and the other is greedy, and so on. There have to be plenty of times when lawyers think to themselves: "I'm working for the jerk and my job is to help him screw the good guy."

But, lawyers work for whomever hires them, and sometimes that's the jerk.

*Perry Mason was the exception - his clients were always innocent.

[Snapolit1]

A lawyers' job is to use every tool he or she possibly can to represent the interests of his client as long as they are within the ethical rules governing lawyering. A lawyers' obligation is not to you, or me, but to his/her client and the court. If you violate the rules and go over the line you should be punished.
Some times they're not, but for those of you outside the legal system you'd be surprised how many times state bar associations eventually catch up with the bad guys and root them out.

I always thought Johnny Cochrane gave the best legal performance of my lifetime, and I know he pissed off a couple of hundred million people. Was a zealous advocate. Did everything he could to get his client off the crime for a crime every one of us was probably convinced he did. Hell, people represented the Nazis in American courts. Representing unpopular people is I think the most noble part of the profession and upholds the values our country was founded on.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

A lawyers' job is to use every tool he or she possibly can to represent the interests of his client as long as they are within the ethical rules governing lawyering. A lawyers' obligation is not to you, or me, but to his/her client and the court. If you violate the rules and go over the line you should be punished.
Some times they're not, but for those of you outside the legal system you'd be surprised how many times state bar associations eventually catch up with the bad guys and root them out.

I always thought Johnny Cochrane gave the best legal performance of my lifetime, and I know he pissed off a couple of hundred million people. Was a zealous advocate. Did everything he could to get his client off the crime for a crime every one of us was probably convinced he did. Hell, people represented the Nazis in American courts. Representing unpopular people is I think the most noble part of the profession and upholds the values our country was founded on.

It's baffling to me that anyone would not understand the jokes and remarks about lawyers. The fact that lawyers are necessary and some of them are wonderful people doing wonderful things, is also understood.

Okay, I'm though trying to fix people on the internet for today.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Mark17

But, lawyers work for whomever hires them, and sometimes that's the jerk.

Exactly - they are doing their job as their job is defined.

[masimen]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

How bout the record business?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by masimen

How bout the record business?

maybe 40yrs ago.

[masimen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

maybe 40yrs ago.

40 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, last week and today.

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't think of any other profession where you can be successful by screwing people, and not be doing something illegal. The entire profession isn't sleazy - just certain branches.

Porn???

[nsaddict]

I'm not understanding why a few have mentioned they don't know or remember what a specific item is in which they got shilled? Very easy to look up. Legendary's website> history>,month and year> and lot # .

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Porn???

I'm done reading posts tonight because it can't get better. Freaking funny!!

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I'm done reading posts tonight because it can't get better. Freaking funny!!

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

Porn???

::slow clap::


well played, sir.

well played.

[Exhibitman]

That's why I stopped doing insurance defense: I realized the best day ever for an insurer's appointed defense counsel is the day he beats a genuinely injured person out of a recovery.