Gem Gehrig @ Heritage

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Scocs

Forgive my ignorance, but can't anyone just measure that card with a ruler?

There can be a small variance in size to these older cards. Printing and cutting techniques were not quite what they are now. I have a few Goudeys where there is a minor difference to width or height, and I know from an examination of the card grain/edges under a loupe that no trimming has occurred.

Have a look at this, detecting alterations in Goudey cards. Apparently, somebody at SGC could use a refresher course on this very thing. The borders are way too small, and I'm shocked that it was slabbed with this grade. Too bad, as that's my second favorite pre-war card behind the T206 Johnson port. But I would never put it in my collection, even if I could afford it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

There can be a small variance in size to these older cards. Printing and cutting techniques were not quite what they are now. I have a few Goudeys where there is a minor difference to width or height, and I know from an examination of the card grain/edges under a loupe that no trimming has occurred.

Have a look at this, detecting alterations in Goudey cards. Apparently, somebody at SGC could use a refresher course on this very thing. The borders are way too small, and I'm shocked that it was slabbed with this grade. Too bad, as that's my second favorite pre-war card behind the T206 Johnson port. But I would never put it in my collection, even if I could afford it.

Last time this card was discussed it doesn't seem that you, or other people, thought it was short, or trimmed.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=173343

And yes it's the same card.
http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-25655.aspx

[Scocs]

I try not to be too idealistic, but at the same time I try not to be too cynical either.

Look, this 1934 Goudey Gehrig looks nicer than half the cards you pull out of a brand new minty fresh 2015 pack. That is almost inconceivable.

Maybe that is why this card is so special. One of a kind.

Still, if the borders on the card had been initially "generous" and someone (owner) trimmed all the edges with an X-acto knife, wouldn't it be relatively easy to determine this by SGC? The card was most likely graded within the past five years, correct -- not during the first few years of the company's existence. They had that kind of oversight on a card of this magnitude if it is indeed trimmed?!

Are we then to believe that this is a repeat of the infamous Mastro/PSA collusion with the NM-MT T206 Wagner? SGC and owner conspiring to alter card and grade it as gem mint?

Does anyone really know the story behind this card? Did it come from a Goudey find much like the Black Swamp find that gave us mint condition cards from 1910?