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02-29-2016, 08:31 PM
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Laughing out loud Cough, cough. Last edited by doug.goodman; 02-29-2016 at 08:34 PM. Reason: To make it funnier (to me) 
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02-29-2016, 08:37 PM
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Let's say they are motivated by money. I can think of three ways off the top of my head to turn your laughing -- and I have my strong opinions about CLCT as well -- into an even greater profit/growth industry for them.
I mean, the pricing models one could come up with to make money off their grading oligopoly is insane. The reason you laugh -- they are like an airline comany-- is because they are in an oligopolistic market. Near monopoly, perhaps. I know why you laugh. Trust me, I know. Let's assume they are able to focus on the business rather than the scurrying cockroaches coming out of the corners, the evolution of fraud is an evolution of profitability for an industry leader. They could change some sort of pricing models here, introduce a new technology and boom, growth and margins are manufactured overnight.
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02-29-2016, 08:41 PM
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02-29-2016, 08:49 PM
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Meanwhile, the end consumer is buying and trading authenticated slabs with sonic sealing and holograms. Sort of like running your PC on Windows 95, no? Or do people even use PCs anymore? Amazing how services/products can become obsolete so fast.....I do wonder if there is a business opportunity there.....(It's HUGE given the brand....and it would allow them to perhaps undo some prior wrongs).
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02-29-2016, 08:53 PM
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Perhaps, although they have already hit up the "installed base" to use an analogy for half grades, and I suspect quite a number of folks have sent in cards for the newest generation of holder even if it isn't much of an improvement in terms of security. Not sure how many times you can go back to that well.
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02-29-2016, 09:01 PM
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The hologram and sonic seal, based on this example, seems like it's not reliable anymore. And if I want to ensure my $1000 baseball card is legit, I am willing to pay a small premium for the revolutionary grading going forward. And if I need to sell one with the old holder, well, I sure do hope the hologram and the sonic seal are good enough.....or else......cha ching.
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02-29-2016, 09:14 PM
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can see a tad of frosting in that top right hand corner of the mantle, so it maaaaay be a little bit securer, i guess.
it's certainly a lil more noticeable than what was on the one i purchased. does anyone here know anything about the sonic welding process? curious if you can re-weld a previous welded spot? is the cloudy spot/corner from the case being cracked or is that simply some adhesive that has clouded up. they used to just use krazy glue and it was extremely easy to spot... if it's the adhesive, then they've gotten much better at concealing that part of it.... edit: imagining a mental picture of all these guys down in mehico setting up test runs w. all sorts of glue imported from all over the place Last edited by begsu1013; 02-29-2016 at 09:18 PM.
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03-02-2016, 11:42 AM
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Slabs are most likely polycarbonate (Lexan) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic_welding Rewelding in a different fashion or even the same might be possible, but would be a bit of a challenge. Assuming a take of 150K a month or better, there are very few technological hurdles you could put in the way that would be all that hard to defeat. Even the treasury believes that counterfeit notes are available very soon after the release of the new designs. Steve B
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03-01-2016, 03:18 AM
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03-01-2016, 05:13 AM
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The Goodwin Mantle
The holder was not even sealed. I find it more than a little coincidental an auction company owned by PSA's biggest rival was selling a terribly bad holdered Mantle. Everyone I have spoken to that saw the card in person said there is no way that it should have made it to Bill's catalog. They said it is nowhere near the quality of the older slabbed Mexico fakes.
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03-01-2016, 06:36 AM
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03-01-2016, 01:05 PM
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Just going with
What I have been told by people with way more knowledge of the situation than either of us have. And I had no reason to believe I was being lied to at the time.
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03-01-2016, 01:31 PM
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