Show...me...your print variations!

variation-man · #1 03-02-2016, 10:42 AM

looks like it sat in the sun and is faded

ALR-bishop · #2 03-02-2016, 11:28 AM

Finally we have a real variation man in this thread

....welcome

variation-man · #3 03-03-2016, 02:19 PM

thanks I do many variations and the miscut, faded, etc. are not variations. those are factory errors and mainly worthless. example of a true variation is the 1967 bolin white streak. a miscut card of a 1968 johnny bench rookie card showing half his face is worth zero unless you use it as a conversation piece showing on how bad quality control was back then.

ALR-bishop · #4 03-03-2016, 03:51 PM

What is your personal definition of a "true variation " ?

Do you think the Bolin was an intentionally corrected error or an unintended recurring print defect, and in either event how could one tell....or does it matter ?

Cliff Bowman · #5 03-03-2016, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Do you think the Bolin was an intentionally corrected error or an unintended recurring print defect, and in either event how could one tell....or does it matter ?

+1. Nearly all of the 1967 Topps "variation" cards are actually just printing flaw error cards. These include the frontal errors of Bolin, Spiezio, Nen, G. Brown, and the back errors of Marichal, Queen, Belinsky, Phillies Rookie Stars, and Gomez.

variation-man · #6 03-04-2016, 09:35 AM

The 1967 cards I agree that they are "printing flaws" but they we corrected. I do not recognize such errors as miscuts, print dots or faded. if the printing company made a correction, then I believe it is a variation - 1969 white letters - 1966 purple tree Heffner. this could be argued all day long.

ALR-bishop · #7 03-04-2016, 01:30 PM

If they were intentionally corrected it would be a "true variation". Examples would be the 1959 Spahn DOBs or traded/optioned cards....no doubts.

But agree with Cliff the 67s could well be unintentional print defects that simply occurred in some runs but we're not detected. There are thousands of such defects, including in my mind the 58 Herrer and 57 Bakep. There is no way to tell if such cards were early run errors that were intentionally corrected, or just a temporary undetected defect in the printing process. I think the no name Thomas may also have been a temporary unintentional recurring print defect. On most such cards, you simply can not tell if a recurring print defect was intentionally corrected. The hobby recognizes some but not others.

For myself, a true variation is a card that the manufacturer clearly changed intentionally, or a card that differs from it's counterparts because an intentional change was made in the printing process itself....the 62 greenies and double print differences such as occurred in the 52 Mantle, Robinson and Thompson are examples of the latter. But that's just me and many may disagree.

If you read this entire thread you can see this debate played over and over. There is not recognized hobby standard, so to each their own. Many in here , myself included, collect variants ( cards that differ from their common counterpart) whether they are "true variations"or not.

Look forward to you contributions to the thread

Tripredacus · #8 03-04-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by variation-man

looks like it sat in the sun and is faded

red fades first, don't forget.

Sliphorn · #9 03-12-2016, 10:59 AM

I know everyone is aware of the green bleed on the back of some, but here is a frontal version difference. The left version has a short blue line to the left of Podres' head and a black mark of some kind in the upper right margin. There is also a border break at the top.

savedfrommyspokes · #10 03-15-2016, 07:11 PM

I had not come across this recurring print variation until today....Del has a dark blue line extending from the "M" on his cap across the bill of his cap to his forehead. Found one copy on ebay in addition to my copy.

ALR-bishop · #11 03-16-2016, 12:18 PM

Picked some of these up after seeing them on a web site devoted to the 1959 set. Apologize for dark scans...having scanner issues. All are recurring

The Grammas may be a real variation, since the blob appears to have been airbrushed before being eliminated. The Hall has a couple of errant yellow dots. The Finnigan has a black dot on his chin that looks like it is part of the auto but is not and is not present on most cards. It would be clear on a better scan. 198 Davenport...bad back scan, has distinct line extending through back # into bio below. Bessent has a blue line through the 2nd S in his name. Burton 231 (dark scan) has a red tail at the top right of bio box on back. Wise has a red mark under cartoon on back. The Senators card ( dark scan) has a divot out of the W in Washington, a dot above the players to right of Senators and some dark marks right of the logo. These three things are recurring and occur together. On Burdette the L in his name has a tail and on Throneberry there is printers mark, which differs in dimensions, in lower right front border

savedfrommyspokes · #12 03-16-2016, 01:06 PM

Nice P/Us.....the back of the 181 Porterfield card has the extension of the line found on back of the 198 Davenport card.

Cliff posted a pic here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171784

ALR-bishop · #13 03-16-2016, 02:16 PM

There is some possibility the Finnigan is a variation. The dot on his chin may have been an errant dot for the i in Finnigan that was removed due to it's location on his face...maybe not

Davie has print defects in bottom of Tiger logo. Yellow outside the cat and on right red inside

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