"Lucky 7" find - Cobb with Cobb back

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

These Feb and Mar 1910 Newspaper clippings cinched for me....these dates fall within the T206 rubric....this Cobb card is indeed the 525th card in the T206 set.
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As stated earlier, unless the front of the Cobb (Red Portrait)/Ty Cobb back is different from the Cobb (Red Portrait) of every other back, then it would not be #525.

[tedzan]

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

[packs]

It is not. Then you'd have to count all the T213-1s and the T215-1s. They have the same fronts as well. It is not a new card. The checklist is not broken down by backs, it's broken down by fronts.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by packs

It is not. Then you'd have to count all the T213-1s and the T215-1s. They have the same fronts as well. It is not a new card. The checklist is not broken down by backs, it's broken down by fronts.

Interesting that you say this....since I do indeed consider the 1910 COUPON cards as part of the T206 family.

Furthermore, although I feel ambivalent regarding the T215-1 cards (since some of them were issued in 1912), I could see how they also fit within the T206 rubric.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

The only tin found so far that has a stamp on it is dated 1912.


http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/2.html

[packs]

I think it can be considered part of the family but you said it was an addition to the checklist, bringing the cards to 525 total. I don't agree with that because it's not a new card and the checklist isn't developed with backs in mind.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The only tin found so far that has a stamp on it is dated 1912.


http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/2.html

Show me where on this Tin a "1912" date is printed ?

As you said....the 1912 date is from the tax stamp on it. Which does NOT
tell us when this Cobb tobacco or this Cobb card was marketed.

Please check-out Post #81 here, where the early Spring 1910 Newspaper
clippings clearly tell us when these Cobb cards were in circulation.


TED Z
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[GasHouseGang]

Here's the picture showing the date.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Show me where on this Tin a "1912" date is printed ?

As you said....the 1912 date is from the tax stamp on it. Which does NOT
tell us when this Cobb tobacco or this Cobb card was marketed.

Please check-out Post #81 here, where the early Spring 1910 Newspaper
clippings clearly tell us when these Cobb cards were in circulation.


TED Z
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I'm not speculating that this is when the cards were made available. I was
just pointing out the date on the stamp for the distribution of this tobacco/tin.

As far as I know no one is sure the cards were even in these tins.

I did see post #81 and I don't see where it "clearly tells us when the cards
were circulated". I also don't see a date on any of the newspaper clippings.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

Originally Posted by packs

It is not. Then you'd have to count all the T213-1s and the T215-1s. They have the same fronts as well. It is not a new card. The checklist is not broken down by backs, it's broken down by fronts.

Then Mr. Barker was Wrong!?
In his American Card Catalog His Lists "Ty Cobb" as 1 of the Backs included in the T206 Set...

The T213-1 and T215-15 He Also Labeled as their OWN Designated Group!

So, "Would You Please Explain "Why" You Guys Know Bettar then the Man Who Wrote the Book!"

I Truly Love You Guyz...
Yet I have Always been a Truest in the Hobby.
Mr. Barker is an Icon!!!

Sorta Like Mr. Jobs, Paul Allen and Bill Gates!

I do Understand the idea that there weren't many "Ty Cobb Backs" Back in the Day. However, That didn't Stop Mr. Barker From adding them to the Set!

Personally ~ I Don't Like it either. But Truth is Truth!!!

Patiently Awaiting Your Replies...

Ohhh and I Would Love ta Know who deemed the T206 Set to Have ONLY 524 Cards in it? According ta Mr. Barker he can't add...

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

the 524 is based on the front... not the back. This is "just another" Cobb Red Portrait.

[tedzan]

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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Ted,

You're missing the point that Erick and "packs" are making.
This wouldn't be a 5th Cobb, the Cobb (red portrait) already
exists in the 524 card checklist.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted,

You're missing the point that Erick and "packs" are making.
This wouldn't be a 5th Cobb, the Cobb (red portrait) already
exists in the 524 card checklist.

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.


TED Z
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[jbl79]

According to PSA, two of the cards from the find have sold. The purchase prices haven't been revealed yet.

[Bruinsfan94]

[QUOTE=tedzan;1511276]Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.




I'm not understanding the logic here? I'm fine with the idea that every back is a different card but how does the number 525 or 593 come into play? If Cobb red with Cobb back is 525 why isn't say Cobb red with Polar back 526?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.


TED Z
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I'll go with Ted Z's opinion every time pertaining backs....

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !



I fully understand what they were driving at.



I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.



TED Z

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If you are counting "cards", then you are missing about 6000. See page 67 of Inside T206 which accounts for:
524 subjects
35 backs
6845 theoretical combinations (cards)

http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t206/i...al-edition.pdf


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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.


TED Z
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Pardon me Ted, but I don't see how I insulted your intelligence.
Erick and packs asked you why you think the Cobb/Cobb should
be added to the basic set and you come back and post a couple
of times why you think it should be considered a T206 which
was completely different from what they were asking.

It doesn't matter to me whether the Cobb/Cobb or Coupon 1 are
considered a T206 or not so I don't have an opinion on it but
stating that a card is indeed the 525th card in the set
is stating a fact not an opinion.

Sometime your posts can be hard to decipher when you contradict
yourself. You said the Cobb/Cobb should be the 525th card in the
set and the 5th Cobb but based on your follow up post in your
own opinion it should be the 6th Cobb (Coupon 1) and there
should be 7 Hal Chase cards not 5.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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1. Bat on
2. Bat off
3. Red portrait
4. Green portrait
5. ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1. Bat on
2. Bat off
3. Red portrait
4. Green portrait
5. ?

Glossy red portrait maybe??

[deucetwins]

Are we 100% sure that the cards, the holders, and the flips didn't come from Mexico.