OT: Manning announces his retirement

[HRBAKER]

At least the Broncos won't have to cut him now.

Great career, great player, great ending.

Would have been painful to watch him play more.

[glynparson]

Best qb

1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Peyton Manning
5. Johnny Unitas

Honourable mention to Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman

Best passers

1. Dan Marino
2. Dan Fouts
3. Brett Favre
4. Fran Tarkenton
5. Drew Brees

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Honourable mention to Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman

Aikman was known for his accuracy but behind that line and with Emmitt, YOU could've qb'd those teams to victory.

[TUM301]

Hard to compare QB`s especially from different eras so the #`s are basically what they are. Been watching football since the late 60`s and will make my top 5 or 6 guys with a different criteria. I`ll say top 6 QB`s I take if I absolutely must win on Sunday. So here goes
1-Brady
2-Unitas
3-Montana
4-Elway
5-Staubach
6-Bradshaw

[rats60]

My top 5
1. Unitas
2. Manning
3. Montana
4. Graham
5. Brady

Unitas and Graham put up great numbers under rules that made passing much more difficult. I think they would hold their own with any modern QB given an equal footing.

[ksabet]

You people and your nostalgia.

If you think Unitas could hold Brady or Manning's jock straps you don't really know football.


I am happy though that no one mentioned the most overrated player in the history of football. Mr. all style no substance. Look at me I am in the HOF despite a losing record, throwing more INT;s than TDs and having a horrendous completion percentage. Dave Krieg was better a QB than Broadway Joe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ksabet

You people and your nostalgia.

If you think Unitas could hold Brady or Manning's jock straps you don't really know football.


I am happy though that no one mentioned the most overrated player in the history of football. Mr. all style no substance. Look at me I am in the HOF despite a losing record, throwing more INT;s than TDs and having a horrendous completion percentage. Dave Krieg was better a QB than Broadway Joe.

Many panels of experts over the recent years would disagree with you, as most rank Unitas anywhere from 1 to 3.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Many panels of experts over the recent years would disagree with you, as most rank Unitas anywhere from 1 to 3.

I realize that, but its a bit of revisionist history.


I argue the same thing with Babe Ruth. Does anyone honestly believe he was as good an athlete and ball player as Ken Griffey Jr.? But he's always numero uno on most lists.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ksabet

I realize that, but its a bit of revisionist history.


I argue the same thing with Babe Ruth. Does anyone honestly believe he was as good an athlete and ball player as Ken Griffey Jr.? But he's always numero uno on most lists.

So at what point did athletes evolve in baseball? Was it when DiMaggio succeeded Ruth? When Mantle and Mays succeeded DiMaggio? When Jackson and Schmidt succeeded Mantle and Mays? When Griffey succeeded them?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ksabet

I realize that, but its a bit of revisionist history.


I argue the same thing with Babe Ruth. Does anyone honestly believe he was as good an athlete and ball player as Ken Griffey Jr.? But he's always numero uno on most lists.

Do you not think that the great players of the 50s and 60s, Clemente, Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Rose, etc. would be superstars today?

You have Brady #1, but his stats are no better than Manning's, both regular season (96.4 to 96.5) and postseason (88.0 to 87.4) and that is before factoring Spygate and Deflategate.