Vintage Racing?

Bored5000 · #1 04-10-2016, 07:41 PM

Thanks. WVU. The seller also said that she had several of her cards signed over the years at autograph sessions (Petty, Allison, Marcis, Langley) Some of the other people she knew who collected cards told her she was ruining her cards by getting them signed, but she wanted them signed anyway. Her complete set is clean and does not contain autographs.

She believes the reason there seems to be a lot of Elmo Langley cards around is because he had a stash of his card that he would hand out after his career had ended and he was driving the pace car for NASCAR.

This can't be said of many items on eBay, but perhaps she has left some money on the table by offering her cards as BINs rather than at auction. I don't know if I overpaid, underpaid or paid just right for the Petty card? The Baker, Langley and Marcis cards can be had on eBay for well under $100 a card. I had never seen a '72 Petty card for sale before and SMR does not even list prices for the STP cards that rarely/never sell at auction.

The seller said she thinks her complete set would be worth $1,500-2,000 if she ever decided to sell it. I guess that number is probably in the ballpark, but who knows? The Lorenzen with car card is like hunting a unicorn. The mere inclusion of that card, even in damaged condition, could drive the price higher.

I know racing is nowhere near as popular or collected as other sports/subjects, but crazy things happen when unicorns like the William McKinley card from the 1932 U.S. Caramel Presidents set or Rocky Graziano from the 1948 Leaf boxing set go to auction in otherwise "affordable" sets.

Bobby Allison is also tough in the STP set. I realize that not everyone chooses to get their cards graded and some raw cards buried in collections are out there yet, but PSA has only graded three Bobby Allison cards. The PSA graded population for the STP set has been stuck at 74 total cards among the 11 different cards for a while now.

nsaddict · #2 04-10-2016, 10:10 PM

If you click on the non-sport card icon, top right corner of this main page, you will find many threads on this subject. One collector has been collecting these type cards for 30 years and is very knowledgeable about every set printed.

Bored5000 · #3 04-10-2016, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nsaddict

If you click on the non-sport card icon, top right corner of this main page, you will find many threads on this subject. One collector has been collecting these type cards for 30 years and is very knowledgeable about every set printed.

Wow, thanks. The whole time I have been posting on this site, I never noticed that link or even realized that the non-sports board was still active or existed anymore. One of the earlier threads I linked to in this thread was a link to a Jon Hardgrove thread about finally acquiring a Lorenzen with car card after 28 years of searching that I found through a Google search.

Beansballcardblog · #4 04-11-2016, 12:40 PM

I wouldn't have even checked "non-sports" for racing. Thank you for the info!

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Originally Posted by nsaddict

If you click on the non-sport card icon, top right corner of this main page, you will find many threads on this subject. One collector has been collecting these type cards for 30 years and is very knowledgeable about every set printed.

Beansballcardblog · #5 04-11-2016, 09:10 PM

I saw a post a few weeks ago on SCF (I don't want to link to it and risk violating any TOS rules) and there's a guy who actually lives in my area that is a hardcore Alan Kulwicki collector. Recently he picked up a 1986 Quincy's card that was (perhaps) given out just as a promo at Daytona that season.

I assume it wasn't on the "Top 20" list because it wasn't mainstream. I can say that the price paid for it would have put it up there if it was mainstream.

I'm just intrigued by the card. He talked a little about it. I was just wondering if anyone here might have more info on it.

I do plan to go ahead and try to keep this thread active, since we don't have an actual forum designated to post racing in. Going to keep an eye on that non-sports area as well.

Bored5000 · #6 04-11-2016, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wvu_class_of_2001

I saw a post a few weeks ago on SCF (I don't want to link to it and risk violating any TOS rules) and there's a guy who actually lives in my area that is a hardcore Alan Kulwicki collector. Recently he picked up a 1986 Quincy's card that was (perhaps) given out just as a promo at Daytona that season.

I assume it wasn't on the "Top 20" list because it wasn't mainstream. I can say that the price paid for it would have put it up there if it was mainstream.

I'm just intrigued by the card. He talked a little about it. I was just wondering if anyone here might have more info on it.

I do plan to go ahead and try to keep this thread active, since we don't have an actual forum designated to post racing in. Going to keep an eye on that non-sports area as well.

There was an Alan Kulwicki Quincy's card that sold on eBay about 5-6 months ago. The card sold as a BIN for $499. I remember looking up that card when it was on eBay, and PSA had graded one of them. I get it that a Quincy's card is a holy grail for a diehard Kulwicki fan. But $499 seems like a steep price to pay for an Alan Kulwicki card. Even very scarce Petty and Earnhardt cards usually sell for less than that.

I remember digging around online to see what I could learn about that card and information was pretty limited. From what I remember reading, Quincy's had the card produced as a promotional handout. I am not at all familiar with the manufacturer, Big League Cards.

There was also one that sold on eBay in 2008. The description seems kinda dubious to me. LOL. The seller says that some unnamed source appraised the card at $500 in 1999.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alan-Kulwick...p2047675.l2557

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...ger-big-league

Beansballcardblog · #7 04-12-2016, 01:00 PM

I think that was the Kulwicki he bought. Even if it is a steep price, if it's a piece you can't often find and it's the only one that you need, sometimes you pay what you have. Kinda like the STP cards, what if you never see one again? Like the guys on American Pickers say, if it's something you've never seen, now is the time to buy.

Beansballcardblog · #8 04-13-2016, 10:05 AM

I have some more of these coming in the next couple of weeks, but I thought I'd share this. It's a blog post (my card blog) about my 1911 T36 (ATC Auto Drivers) Ralph DePalma.

Yes, a Non-Baseball �T� Card Addition

Beansballcardblog · #9 04-16-2016, 10:26 PM

Finally took a good look at that thread, thank you! I just learned about a new IndyCar set. Had no idea about the Fleer set.

I decided NOT auto tell the wifey about a new "project."

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Originally Posted by nsaddict

If you click on the non-sport card icon, top right corner of this main page, you will find many threads on this subject. One collector has been collecting these type cards for 30 years and is very knowledgeable about every set printed.

Bored5000 · #10 04-16-2016, 11:27 PM

Here is a link I have had bookmarked for a while that discusses the various Marhoefer sets of the '60s. Jon Hardgrove really is the man when it comes to older racing sets.

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/marhoefer61/go.html

Here is another thread in which Jon Hardgrove details, year-by-year, how many cards there are in each of the Marhoefer sets.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/52660...s+to+the+1950s

Here is another link I have had saved for a while in which Jon Hardgrove shows examples of many different older sets and gives a blurb about them.

http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/AutomobilecardsUSA.htm

Another Jon Hardgrove thread in which he extensively discusses the Marhoefer sets, checklists, etc. Great reading for those who want to learn more about the Marhoefer sets.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/52660...anted+to+know)

Bored5000 · #11 04-16-2016, 11:45 PM

Here is another cool thread I have bookmarked for a while that show many different sets in the massive thread (1970 Fleer Dragstrips. 1972 STPs, 1983 UNOs, 1985-86 SportsStar Photo-Graphics, 1987 World of Oultaws, etc, etc.). This is a great thread to see images of every card from many different sets.

https://forums.collectors.com/messag...VIEWTMP=Linear

Beansballcardblog · #12 04-18-2016, 04:15 PM

Eddie,

Thanks for those links. I took a look at them and learned quite a bit over the weekend!

Here's another vintage Indianapolis 500 card I picked up. Forgot to post it sooner.

Mailday from the Other Side of the Pond

Bored5000 · #13 04-20-2016, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wvu_class_of_2001

Eddie,

Thanks for those links. I took a look at them and learned quite a bit over the weekend!

Here's another vintage Indianapolis 500 card I picked up. Forgot to post it sooner.

Mailday from the Other Side of the Pond

That's a neat looking card, Kin. I was not previously familiar with it.

smtjoy · #14 10-03-2016, 01:21 PM

I always liked this exhibit-

Bored5000 · #15 10-04-2016, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by smtjoy

I always liked this exhibit-

That is a neat card, Scott. I was not aware it existed, but I was at least somewhat familiar with John Cobb because I remembered the news story about the wreckage of his boat being located on the bottom of Loch Ness 50 years after Cobb's fatal accident.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...Loch-Ness.html

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