T227 Series of Champions Enigma

Yoda · #1 04-19-2016, 10:58 AM

Perhaps one of my saddest collecting days, although I didn't know it at the time, was when I sold my T227 Cobb PSA 6 for an embarrassing small amount, and if that wasn't bad enough I also sold the PSA 7 Baker, now up in the REA auction, for a likewise relative pittance. That card, I must say, is in a league of its own in such a condition sensitive issue not only among the 4 ballplayers but the entire set. Not sure if I am going to try to recapture it, but who knows.

Beansballcardblog · #2 04-19-2016, 11:13 AM

When did you sell them? Based on context, I'm assuming before the "boom" in the prices of vintage graded sales over the last 2-3 years.

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Perhaps one of my saddest collecting days, although I didn't know it at the time, was when I sold my T227 Cobb PSA 6 for an embarrassing small amount, and if that wasn't bad enough I also sold the PSA 7 Baker, now up in the REA auction, for a likewise relative pittance. That card, I must say, is in a league of its own in such a condition sensitive issue not only among the 4 ballplayers but the entire set. Not sure if I am going to try to recapture it, but who knows.

Yoda · #3 04-19-2016, 11:31 AM

Sold them in 2005 after I had moved to London and closed down Full Count. I consigned them to long-time friend Kevin Struss, who was then at Mastro's. where they were eventually auctioned off.

Marslife · #4 04-19-2016, 07:44 PM

Hey Kin,

thanks for the post, I am doing well on my set quest, now down to needing two cards:

CARD NO. CARD NAME SPORT
1 BRUCE BROWN AUTO RACING
3 C.P. RODGERS (CALBRAITH) AVIATION

These are hard to find. I'll be heading to the National to see if I can dig these up. If anyone has them and willing to sell, LET ME KNOW!

super set, scored a nice Cobby from a fellow member.

two more to go! no updates on the "missing" 25th card yet.

TTYL!

Cliff

RCMcKenzie · #5 04-19-2016, 08:31 PM

I have not seen a Rodgers or Brown offered for sale in the few years that I have followed the t227 set. I'm currently at 16/24

rjackson44 · #6 04-20-2016, 08:57 AM

yoda don't feel bad we all have done crazy things ,,at least you can say you owned them at one time ,,,ive done some pretty crazy deals too .best octavio

Beansballcardblog · #7 04-20-2016, 08:59 AM

It's the card version of "better to have loved and lost than never loved at all."

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yoda don't feel bad we all have done crazy things ,,at least you can say you owned them at one time ,,,ive done some pretty crazy deals too .best octavio

Exhibitman · #8 04-20-2016, 12:42 PM

That is interesting re the two seeming SPs. I know that T220 silver border has a pair of notorious SPs, Mike Donovan Today and Jas. J. Corbett, and I've long thought that there was some sort of chase or price component to the shortage that has been lost to time. Perhaps the same is true of T227?

Beansballcardblog · #9 05-03-2016, 01:33 PM

Perhaps Bruce Brown bought up all of his copies???

Conspiracy theory and I'm sure incorrect...

I'm listening to a very old episode of "The Talk of Gasoline Alley" with Donald Davidson and he mentioned that when (David) Bruce-Brown's estate was settled in 1914 that he recalls it was worth about 1.3M.

That's a lot of money for 1912 (when he was killed in an accident).

Didn't know if some might like the little nugget of knowledge.

Steve D · #10 05-03-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

That is interesting re the two seeming SPs. I know that T220 silver border has a pair of notorious SPs, Mike Donovan Today and Jas. J. Corbett, and I've long thought that there was some sort of chase or price component to the shortage that has been lost to time. Perhaps the same is true of T227?

It appears, after seeing wvu's post (#31), that the shortage of the Brown and Rodgers cards could be attributable to their premature deaths. Rodgers was killed Apr 3, 1912, and Brown was killed Nov 1, 1912.

Steve

Beansballcardblog · #11 05-03-2016, 06:06 PM

Nice call, Steve! I didn't think about anything like that. It has to be more than coincidence.

I'm only up to four so far, but I'm working on the T36 set and it also includes Brown. It's a 1910 set though, which is among the reasons I'll give for not thinking of that haha.

-kin

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Originally Posted by Steve D

It appears, after seeing wvu's post (#31), that the shortage of the Brown and Rodgers cards could be attributable to their premature deaths. Rodgers was killed Apr 3, 1912, and Brown was killed Nov 1, 1912.

Steve

Steve D · #12 04-19-2016, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda

Perhaps one of my saddest collecting days, although I didn't know it at the time, was when I sold my T227 Cobb PSA 6 for an embarrassing small amount, and if that wasn't bad enough I also sold the PSA 7 Baker, now up in the REA auction, for a likewise relative pittance. That card, I must say, is in a league of its own in such a condition sensitive issue not only among the 4 ballplayers but the entire set. Not sure if I am going to try to recapture it, but who knows.

I did the exact same thing with my Cobb in 1991. It would probably have graded a 1 or 2, but it had great eye-appeal. I've been looking for a replacement for several years now, but haven't been able to land it

Regarding the CP Rodgers card; I've been looking for one of them for several years also, as I collect aviator cards. I have yet to see even one card for sale anywhere.

Steve

ezez420 · #13 04-19-2016, 09:48 PM

I was fortunate enough to get the Brown in a collection and Rodgers in a trade with HLC backs. The other Rodgers I know about is an HLC. However, I do not know if there is a Miners Extra Brown and Rodgers that exist.

Beansballcardblog · #14 04-20-2016, 12:09 AM

It's definitely disconcerting to find that the Brown is so difficult to find and that y'all need it for the set. It's one of only two cards in the set I want to acquire and it's now obvious that if/when one comes available, it's going to go for much more than any of us would like to pay.

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Originally Posted by ezez420

I was fortunate enough to get the Brown in a collection and Rodgers in a trade with HLC backs. The other Rodgers I know about is an HLC. However, I do not know if there is a Miners Extra Brown and Rodgers that exist.

iowadoc77 · #15 04-20-2016, 08:51 AM

Hey Leon, I like your Cobb. Matches mine quite nicely. From the national last year from Roger Burns. Purchased 5 minutes after I had thrown my hands up and given up on finding one of these.

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