Does Everyone Understand Pre-War?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

of course you do:

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Yeah you would think Clapton Page Richards Berry before you would think of Prince, I would anyhow. I saw some clips where his pyrotechnics were pretty awesome but greatness is more than that. 1 or 33 though a terrible shame that he died young.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by rats60

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists.

[TUM301]

Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by TUM301

Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists.

I think the original RS list had Robert Johnson quite high. The revised one he dropped down.

[begsu1013]

les paul.

edit: and agreed, i'd rather have a roll of toilet paper than a rolling stone.

[begsu1013]

and speaking of rolling stone and it's corporate agendas...this is one of my fav clips.

derek trucks melting john mayer's face:

john mayer who?


not sure if derek ever made RS lists. probably not, but that's more credible to me. i dig the under the radar guys like trucks, warren haynes, dave schools (bass), etc.

edit: in closing for prince, here is a link to his final show. kinda a slow show...it's primarily a panic site, but it has streams of live shows for just about anyone worth listening to along the right hand side.

just about anything found here



back to prewar.

[frankbmd]

This thread coupled with the death of Prince Not Fielder may have the unintended consequence of proving that the number of prewar thread topics may be finite. If true, I feel like weeping.

So to paraphrase a baseball play, let's have a Net54 Pick Off contest.
For those of you with limited free time, watch and listen only to the last two
minutes of each of the following. The contestants are Prince and Clapton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4J6i_vw0w

Disclaimer: I have no knowledge or opinion on the top guitarists of all time, but I do have hearing loss.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

and speaking of rolling stone and it's corporate agendas...this is one of my fav clips.

derek trucks melting john mayer's face:

john mayer who?


not sure if derek ever made RS lists. probably not, but that's more credible to me. i dig the under the radar guys like trucks, warren haynes, dave schools (bass), etc.

edit: in closing for prince, here is a link to his final show. kinda a slow show...it's primarily a panic site, but it has streams of live shows for just about anyone worth listening to along the right hand side.

just about anything found here



back to prewar.

Derek is 16th.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I agree with you Bill. A while back I was checking out the list to see where some members of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd band ranked (Steve Gaines, Allen Collins and Gary Rossington). I was shocked to see not one of them made the list and just as shocked with some of the people that did. I thought all three could/should have made the list. If there is a top ten list of the worst list's this one should be on it.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

You are referring to this list that didn't have Prince even listed and it is crap. The list with Prince at 33 has Cobain at 73 and all those guys you listed well ahead of him. Beck 5, Van Halen 8, Gilmour 14, May 26, Rhoads 36 and Blackmore 50.

That list is the opinions of other professional guitarists. The top 3 is pretty well established, Hendrix, Clapton, Page. The further you go down the list, the more subjective it becomes. The point still stands, while Prince was a great guitarist, he was no where near the best living guitarist.