The other T207 backs

[shernan30]

Great write up Mike!!

Here are a few of my tougher cards from my Cincinnati set (in process)

[Yoda]

I have given up hope trying to spark any interest in the brown ink Recruit back. I currently have 2 up in the REA auction that haven't even drawn a bid. Back in 2007 Mastro had a common with the brown ink reverse and made a big deal out of it, comparing it to the brown Lenox reverse, and stating it should be considered a true variation. I believe it fetched around a grand. Beckett must have agreed, since they are the only grading company who identify it as such. Perhaps if the other grading followed suit something might happen.

[caramelcard]

John,

I've had SGC grade T207 brown ink backs as such for me. Perhaps they don't anymore.

Mike,

Good thread. With the large group of blank backs that surfaced 10 years ago I don't remember any being non recruit class.

Collectors used to call Anon backs coupons, but only because they had been found with large groups of coupon t213s which doesn't really mean anything.

Like the E98 issue, it's hard to imagine why the backs are anonymous. Although E98s (as we know from the recent large find) were not necessarily inserted into anything. I would imagine anonymous backed t207s were inserted into a Louisiana based cigarette pack.

So it would make sense that they could be coupons.

And if you really think about it, if the folks buying the cigs know that there are cards inside, they wouldn't care after the fact if there was advertising on the backs of the cards. More interested in the fronts.

Rob

[Jobu]

Great post Mike, thank you for adding such clear reference material (and thanks for all of the info you have shared over email). Also - very nice cards everyone.

[sb1]

A breakdown by tougher backs in the set I have.

Anonymous Fact 3 5
Anonymous Fact 25 11
Broadleaf 19
Cycle 13
Napoleon 3 Ray Fisher, George Mullin No D on Cap, Mike Simon

Pretty shocking how tough Napoleon's are. Of course the first four backs above would be expected to be strongly represented as those cards only come with one of the four backs(excluding Red Cross of course). But when given the chance of having the Recruit and Napoleon parallel checklist and only having three clearly shows their scarcity.

[kmac32]

All cubbies mainly T207

[kmac32]

Different backs

[Luke]

Nice thread, thanks for the info! Napoleons are my favorite back. If anyone ever sees anything I'm selling and has Napoleons to trade, please let me know!

Ken, that is an awesome display. For the Recruit class guys that you have 2 of, does that mean you have Napoleons as well as Recruits, or that you have a Recruit 240 and a 606?

[Tao_Moko]

Love this set. Still waiting on a Ward Miller to complete my set. Passed on the last two because they were too nice for me. Here's my Saier

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Nice thread, thanks for the info! Napoleons are my favorite back. If anyone ever sees anything I'm selling and has Napoleons to trade, please let me know!

Ken, that is an awesome display. For the Recruit class guys that you have 2 of, does that mean you have Napoleons as well as Recruits, or that you have a Recruit 240 and a 606?

Looking for more Cubs with Napoleon backs. Currently have Frank Chance and 1 other CUBBIE. Looking to complete the set and when done, I will have 32 cards. I am also collecting all the different factories on the backs. Have all the Saiers and missing a Ward Miller factory 25 and red cycle Miller and 5 different Napoleons missing. Napoleons are tougher than the Millers.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Ok, so drum roll time for what I am sure is a dumb/obvious question. I am getting increasingly interested in these little brown cards and have visited/bookmarked the informative links you guys have offered up (including old Net54 threads). However, how do I know which backs the Cardinals players appear on? Either in this thread or the other T207 thread Mike or someone has listed all of the T207 Cardinals and designated which would be found with Recruit backs and Broadleaf backs. How do we know that there aren't any Napoleon or Cycle backs? Not questioning expertise, just trying to understand.

The way I can make sense of this set is to collect them by team. I want to go the Cardinals first and then perhaps the Cubs. I have looked on the sites I have seen mentioned but not seeing a definitive formula regarding backs for the teams' players...or I am not smart enough to understand it. For instance, how does Ken know which Cubbies have Napoleon backs?

[ullmandds]

i have a blank back mcgraw...i wish i picked up more when that little hoard came to market. I also have a ivan olson missing color card.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

Ok, so drum roll time for what I am sure is a dumb/obvious question. I am getting increasingly interested in these little brown cards and have visited/bookmarked the informative links you guys have offered up (including old Net54 threads). However, how do I know which backs the Cardinals players appear on? Either in this thread or the other T207 thread Mike or someone has listed all of the T207 Cardinals and designated which would be found with Recruit backs and Broadleaf backs. How do we know that there aren't any Napoleon or Cycle backs? Not questioning expertise, just trying to understand.

The way I can make sense of this set is to collect them by team. I want to go the Cardinals first and then perhaps the Cubs. I have looked on the sites I have seen mentioned but not seeing a definitive formula regarding backs for the teams' players...or I am not smart enough to understand it. For instance, how does Ken know which Cubbies have Napoleon backs?

Ok, I think I may have answered my own questions. I got to looking on Old Cardboard again and found the checklist of the players and the backs they were printed on. Also, I followed the link that led to the cards of each team. So, between the two lists, I should have all the info I was fretting over. Right?

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[frohme]

Hey Robert,

The Cardinals you're looking for are pretty well known (or at least mostly).

Broadleaf class - 2 cards (Lowdermilk and Woodburn), 4 backs each (Broadleaf, Cycle, Anonymous factories 3 and 25) = 8 cards

Recruit class - 12 cards (Bresnahan, Ellis, Evans, Golden, Harmon, Konetchy, Oakes, Smith (W), Steele, Steinfeldt, Wilie, Wingo), 3 backs each (Recruit Fac 240 and 606, + Napoleon) = 36 cards.

Add to that the 2 known Anon 3 recruits (Steele, Wingo) and the 1 Red Cross (Lowdermilk) and you have 47 cards.

[This may have been answered this on a previous post for the Cardinals (like for the Cubs for Ken), if so, my apologies.]

--
Mike

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

Ok, so drum roll time for what I am sure is a dumb/obvious question. I am getting increasingly interested in these little brown cards and have visited/bookmarked the informative links you guys have offered up (including old Net54 threads). However, how do I know which backs the Cardinals players appear on? Either in this thread or the other T207 thread Mike or someone has listed all of the T207 Cardinals and designated which would be found with Recruit backs and Broadleaf backs. How do we know that there aren't any Napoleon or Cycle backs? Not questioning expertise, just trying to understand.

The way I can make sense of this set is to collect them by team. I want to go the Cardinals first and then perhaps the Cubs. I have looked on the sites I have seen mentioned but not seeing a definitive formula regarding backs for the teams' players...or I am not smart enough to understand it. For instance, how does Ken know which Cubbies have Napoleon backs?