T206 350/460 series (illustrated) and why certain T-brands are mutually-exclusive

Pat R · #1 05-03-2016, 09:01 AM

Attachment 229871The seller that sold the large group of SC 350-460 Factory 30 "no print" scraps
also sold a large group of SC 350-460/30 subjects that were hand cut.

Howell Fact 30.jpg

There were multiple sales of each subject from the "no print" group
and most of the regular subset subjects were sold in multiples too.

Attachment 229870
Attachment 229871

Howell _1__1.jpg
Howell Back _1__1.jpg
Wilhelm _1__1.jpg
Wilhelm Back _1__1.jpg
What's interesting is the subjects that didn't come up for sale.

Here's the list of "no prints" that were sold

Sold

Berger
Bradley
Burch
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy
Crawford
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan
Lake (no ball)
Leach
Leifield
Manning
McQuillan
Mullin
Overall (hands at face)
Pelty
Pfeister
Smith (Chi & Bos)
Steinfeldt
Tinker (bat Off)
Wagner
White
Wilhelm
Willetts
Willis (batting)
Wiltse (pitching)

No sale

Ames
Lajoie (bat)

The list of subset subjects

Sold

Abbaticchio
Ball (Clev)
Bell (follow through)
Bergen
Bescher
Bridwell (with cap)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands above head)
Chance (batting)
Crandall (with cap)
Devore
Doyle (port)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog
Howeell
Hummel
Lake (with ball)
McGraw (glove at hip)
McGraw (with cap)
Meyers
Murray (port)
Needham
Oldring
Overall (hands at waist level)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schulte
Sheckard
Smith (happy)
Stovall
Tannehill
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat

No sale

Chase (trophy)
Duffy
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
Merkle
Schaefer
Schlei (batting)
Schlei (port)
Seymour (port)
Wiltse (with cap)

sreader3 · #2 05-03-2016, 03:55 PM

Hi Pat,
Thanks for the input. This seems more or less consistent with what we've been saying in this thread since all of the SC460/30 no-prints among the scrap were Group B guys whereas Ames (Hands High) is a Group A guy. As for the yes-prints, maybe a little surprised that Bergen (Catching), Murray (Portrait) and Overall (Hands at Waist) were among the scrap when the other Group E guys weren't. Who knows what that's about.
Scot

Pat R · #3 05-03-2016, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sreader3

Hi Pat,
Thanks for the input. This seems more or less consistent with what we've been saying in this thread since all of the SC460/30 no-prints among the scrap were Group B guys whereas Ames (Hands High) is a Group A guy. As for the yes-prints, maybe a little surprised that Bergen (Catching), Murray (Portrait) and Overall (Hands at Waist) were among the scrap when the other Group E guys weren't. Who knows what that's about.
Scot

Hi Scot,

There could be a number of reasons why but the no sale of Lajoie from the no
prints and Duffy from the subjects that were printed with this back stand out.

There were three Bergen & Overall's that sold and two Murray's.

Bergen_1.jpg
Bergen Back_1.jpg
Overall _waist_ _1__1.jpg
Overall _waist_ Back _1__1.jpg
Murray _1__1.jpg
Murray Back _1__1.jpg

Luke · #4 11-30-2016, 11:35 PM

Pat,

It probably doesn't matter much to the point you were making, but I believe my Overall makes at least 4 (could be one of those, but looks slightly different). I bought it during the kw1b1 auctions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R

Hi Scot,

There could be a number of reasons why but the no sale of Lajoie from the no
prints and Duffy from the subjects that were printed with this back stand out.

There were three Bergen & Overall's that sold and two Murray's.

Attachment 229925
Attachment 229926
Attachment 229927
Attachment 229928
Attachment 229929
Attachment 229930

tedzan · #5 12-01-2016, 10:07 AM

T206 350/460 series (illustrated) and why certain T-brands are mutually-exclusive

Hey guys,

Let's stick with the topic of this thread......the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series cards. These cards are clearly illustrated in Group A and Group B.

Regarding these posted cards with SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 backs......

Bergen (catching)
Howell (hand on hip)
Murray (portrait)
Overall (blue sky)

These 4 guys are 460-only series subjects of which the SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 is a normal back.

Injecting these 4 into the conversation in this thread tends to confuse readers who are trying to understand the complexities of the 350/460 series.

The 460-only series cards are for another thread on another day.

Thank you.

TED Z
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tedzan · #6 12-03-2016, 07:24 AM

Hey Guys,

Still hoping to get some inputs from you regarding the missing 8 subjects with BROAD LEAF 460 backs (post #51 )......and,
the missing 4 subjects red HINDU backs (post #49 ).

I'm traveling to the Valley Forge Philly Show today, perhaps I'll find some of them there

.

TED Z
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Pat R · #7 12-03-2016, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

T206 350/460 series (illustrated) and why certain T-brands are mutually-exclusive

Hey guys,

Let's stick with the topic of this thread......the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series cards. These cards are clearly illustrated in Group A and Group B.

Regarding these posted cards with SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 backs......

Bergen (catching)
Howell (hand on hip)
Murray (portrait)
Overall (blue sky)

These 4 guys are 460-only series subjects of which the SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #30 is a normal back.

Injecting these 4 into the conversation in this thread tends to confuse readers who are trying to understand the complexities of the 350/460 series.

The 460-only series cards are for another thread on another day.

Thank you.

TED Z
.

Ted,

If you're concerned about confusing readers you should clear up this discrepancy involving your group A subjects for those that search the archives.

Your group A subjects are all AB460 no-prints but in this thread about the
AB460 subset you put together you have four of the group A subjects listed
in your set. Ames (hands over head), Baker, Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
and Snodgrass (Catching).
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...page=2&t=91361

tedzan · #8 12-03-2016, 05:31 PM

Hey Pat

Don't worry guy, most readers of my threads are not confused. My T206 theory's and the empirical knowledge I've gained from putting together various sets (and sub-sets)
these past 37 years. And, my collecting experience that I have very generously shared with members of this forum speaks for itself.
Anyone here is free to check-out the T206 information posted in the "Consolidated access to the 15 - T206 T-brand (front/back) surveys....UPDATED " thread which
Leon has archived......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=132611&page=6

And, I am surprised at your remarks regarding my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 information and the near complete run (70/74) of these cards that I have put together. It has all
been documented in this Net54 thread...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=124927&page=5
Which you are up to date on, since you have posted on this thread in 2016.

However, you choose to go back 8+ years to a thread that I posted, in which I listed 4 mistakes (out of 70 cards). Three of which (Baker, Elberfeld, and Snodgrass) in which
I discovered later that they actually had to be AB 350 cards. Unfortunately, these 3 cards in my collection had back damage and it wasn't easy to tell whether they were 350
or 460 (Factory #25 or Factory #42, respectively). Furthermore, back then Bill Brown's T206 Super-Set Excel list indicated that these 3 subjects (plus Ames) were confirmed
AB 460 cards. And, I have since then proven that these 4 subjects could not be AB 460 cards.

Anyhow, I'll tell you what really "ticks me off" about your remarks. I heard these EXACT words from some one 8 years ago (who doesn't post on Net54 any more). I sense
that this person has put you up to posting his 8-year old remarks (it's typical of his sick style). So, I dare you to deny that this is why you posted these negative remarks ? ?

I didn't think this was your style !

TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 4 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (74 cards)

CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)
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tedzan · #9 05-08-2016, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R

Attachment 229871The seller that sold the large group of SC 350-460 Factory 30 "no print" scraps
also sold a large group of SC 350-460/30 subjects that were hand cut.

The list of subset subjects

Sold

Abbaticchio
Ball (Clev)
Bell (follow through)
Bergen
Bescher
Bridwell (with cap)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands above head)
Chance (batting)
Crandall (with cap)
Devore
Doyle (port)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog
Howeell
Hummel
Lake (with ball)
McGraw (glove at hip)
McGraw (with cap)
Meyers
Murray (port)
Needham
Oldring
Overall (hands at waist level)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schulte
Sheckard
Smith (happy)
Stovall
Tannehill
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat

No sale

Chase (trophy)
Duffy
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
Merkle
Schaefer
Schlei (batting)
Schlei (port)
Seymour (port)
Wiltse (with cap)

Pat and Scot

I'm not sure I understand why these 460-only series subjects with Sweet Cap 460 Factory #30 backs are of interest here.
As we all know, these guys were normally issued with this Sweet Cap back (unlike the 350/460 series subjects).

What am I missing in this discussion ?

TED Z
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