Hey, pennant guys

ooo-ribay · #1 05-04-2016, 01:42 PM

Just picked this up. Not fantastic shape but the price was right.

Question: The Giants won 3 pennants in the 1930s and 2 more in the 1950s. I usually see this pennant referred to as "1950s." Mike Egner's book says these are from the 1940s but I doubt that. Why is it this pennant couldn't be from the 1930s? The players certainly look of that era or earlier.

MK · #2 05-04-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Just picked this up. Not fantastic shape but the price was right.

Question: The Giants won 3 pennants in the 1930s and 2 more in the 1950s. I usually see this pennant referred to as "1950s." Mike Egner's book says these are from the 1940s but I doubt that. Why is it this pennant couldn't be from the 1930s? The players certainly look of that era or earlier.

I've always believed the Cubs version of this pennant was from the 1930s rather than 1945 as Egner states. Have never been able to find proof, just a feeling.

phillies · #3 05-04-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Just picked this up. Not fantastic shape but the price was right.

Question: The Giants won 3 pennants in the 1930s and 2 more in the 1950s. I usually see this pennant referred to as "1950s." Mike Egner's book says these are from the 1940s but I doubt that. Why is it this pennant couldn't be from the 1930s? The players certainly look of that era or earlier.

There is a Phillies version of that exact pennant and they only had one NL championship between 1915 and 1980, which was 1950.

ricardoh · #4 05-04-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Just picked this up. Not fantastic shape but the price was right.

Question: The Giants won 3 pennants in the 1930s and 2 more in the 1950s. I usually see this pennant referred to as "1950s." Mike Egner's book says these are from the 1940s but I doubt that. Why is it this pennant couldn't be from the 1930s? The players certainly look of that era or earlier.

my opinion is it is 50s. 30s pennants were usually with thicker felt, a thinner border, and often more like spaghetti tassles. very nice in any case!

MK · #5 05-04-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardoh

my opinion is it is 50s. 30s pennants were usually with thicker felt, a thinner border, and often more like spaghetti tassles. very nice in any case!

Obviously, the Cubs version had to be from the 1930s or 40s, as 1945 was their last pennant. The most obvious answer is they were made over a period of many years. Maybe a checklist of all known pennants of this style would help.

Duluth Eskimo · #6 05-04-2016, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Just picked this up. Not fantastic shape but the price was right.

Question: The Giants won 3 pennants in the 1930s and 2 more in the 1950s. I usually see this pennant referred to as "1950s." Mike Egner's book says these are from the 1940s but I doubt that. Why is it this pennant couldn't be from the 1930s? The players certainly look of that era or earlier.

This is a 50's pennant. You can often tell (my opinion) by the makeup of the pennant itself as well as the font used in the team lettering. Anything from the 30's is generally more block style. This font was generally not used until the 50's. The Phillies pennant shown (very nice and tough pennant) is one of the last to use this style. This is a classic 40's style design. I have many Yankees pennants that use variations of these designs over the 30-50's years. I also have many photos with fans holding these pennants showing these designs. Personally I believe the dating of some of the style pennants in Mike's book to be a little off. This of course is my opinion, but drawn from many years of experience.

MK · #7 05-04-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

This is a 50's pennant. You can often tell (my opinion) by the makeup of the pennant itself as well as the font used in the team lettering. Anything from the 30's is generally more block style. This font was generally not used until the 50's. The Phillies pennant shown (very nice and tough pennant) is one of the last to use this style. This is a classic 40's style design. I have many Yankees pennants that use variations of these designs over the 30-50's years. I also have many photos with fans holding these pennants showing these designs. Personally I believe the dating of some of the style pennants in Mike's book to be a little off. This of course is my opinion, but drawn from many years of experience.

So do you think think the Cubs version is from the 1930s or 1945?

perezfan · #8 05-04-2016, 08:43 PM

I'd definitely say 1945 on that Cubs pennant. Just my opinion, but an educated one. I believe this style to have spanned from the mid forties through early fifties. About a 6-7 year span. I have also seen a Giants variation with a "1951" date.

MK · #9 05-04-2016, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

I'd definitely say 1945 on that Cubs pennant. Just my opinion, but an educated one. I believe this style to have spanned from the mid forties through early fifties. About a 6-7 year span. I have also seen a Giants variation with a "1951" date.

You may be right Mark that it is 1945. But if so, I would have thought there would be a companion Detroit Tigers version and I have never seen one. That is one reason I always thought this was from 1938.

ooo-ribay · #10 05-04-2016, 09:51 PM

Good discussion.....

Duluth Eskimo · #11 05-04-2016, 10:19 PM

I agree with Mark. Definitely 1945. I have not seen a matching Tigers version either, but that is for sure 1945. All of those Cubs Post season are difficult pennants. A good number of the 30's and 1929 are dated or have both teams listed. This Cubs version is of the "newer" sort with more detailed graphics and generally multiple colors.

ricardoh · #12 05-05-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

I'd definitely say 1945 on that Cubs pennant. Just my opinion, but an educated one. I believe this style to have spanned from the mid forties through early fifties. About a 6-7 year span. I have also seen a Giants variation with a "1951" date.

I agree with all this. And just because a version was made for one team did not always mean an exacte version was made for the opposing team. Sometimes yes but not always. Until one is known, it cannot be assumed.

lefty147 · #13 05-05-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardoh

I agree with all this. And just because a version was made for one team did not always mean an exacte version was made for the opposing team. Sometimes yes but not always. Until one is known, it cannot be assumed.

This is the biggest challenge estimating dates when pennants were made.

Duluth Eskimo · #14 05-05-2016, 02:15 PM

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This is the biggest challenge estimating dates when pennants were made.

Mike,
Hopefully you didn't take my comments as a slight on your book. It is very well done and has been quickly adapted as "the" price guide for pennants. It is very difficult to date many of these pennants as there were so many produced in these general templates without any dating to them.

MK · #15 05-05-2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty147

This is the biggest challenge estimating dates when pennants were made.

Would have been nice if they had put the year on all the pennant winner pennants!

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