T206 ??? RE: Wagner & Plank

[pherbener]

I think Wagner would rank a bit below the Cobb but more in line with WaJo and Matty. I think the reason that his popularity puts his pricing in line with Cobb in other sets is because of the "legend" of the T206 Wags.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by pherbener

I think Wagner would rank a bit below the Cobb but more in line with WaJo and Matty. I think the reason that his popularity puts his pricing in line with Cobb in other sets is because of the "legend" of the T206 Wags.

This is where I am at. Do Wagner's cards really have this much value without the T206? How many of us want to own an "other" Wagner, truth be told, because of how iconic the T206 is? I acquired my first Wagner card because of this. Had it not been for the T206, I may not have any Wagners, except for the one in my e98 set.

[mullinsm]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

This is where I am at. Do Wagner's cards really have this much value without the T206? How many of us want to own an "other" Wagner, truth be told, because of how iconic the T206 is? I acquired my first Wagner card because of this. Had it not been for the T206, I may not have any Wagners, except for the one in my e98 set.

I think this is spot on. The legend of the Wagner and Plank T206 cards is so great that it affects the value of their cards from other sets. They were outstanding players in their own right, which doesn't hurt, but it's hard to say either name without immediately thinking of their famous cards.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

I think Plank would be in the Brown category while the Wagner would depend on the poses.

If there is only one pose then he would be equal to the Green Cobb if not higher, if multiple poses then less. Other than a hand full of teammates no player in baseball would have taken Cobb over Wagner in a draft at that time in my opinion.

Wagner was never surrounded after 1903 with a cast of players that could propel the Pirates to the very top. Their 1907-09 team was superior to the Tigers because of Wagner but the Cubs battery and lineup were just too much for them most years and the Giants cast was much deeper. That 1909 Pirate team was darned good though.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mullinsm

I think this is spot on. The legend of the Wagner and Plank T206 cards is so great that it affects the value of their cards from other sets. They were outstanding players in their own right, which doesn't hurt, but it's hard to say either name without immediately thinking of their famous cards.

Almost no doubt T206 has raised all Wags's values.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Leon

Almost no doubt T206 has raised all Wags's values.

And vice versa.

[clydepepper]

I think the Wagner card would be in the Cobb range, slightly higher than Mathewson and Johnson. If there were no history of 'the card', Wagner would still hang in there with the rest of the initial HOF class IMHO.

Also entering into the 'formula' are the afore-mentioned fact that there is only the one T206 for Wagner and he is also considered an upper tier HOFer.

As far as Plank is concerned, his single card value would be a tad under Mathewson and Johnson, but slightly lower still if there were multiple poses/cards available.

Good discussion topic.

[Pilot172000]

Great topic! Love the discussion. My opinion is that Wagner would correlate with Cobb and no less than say Tris Speaker/Lajoie. When I think about Gettysburg Eddie, Mordecai Brown fits the profile exactly. He wouldn't quite be in the Matty/WoJo catagory but a good bit above Bender/Joss/Willis

[Bliggity]

Another interesting question is how much the Wagner would be worth if it were a card of a common player, rather than Wagner. Combined pop reports show about 500 graded examples of O'Hara and Demmitt (so maybe 300-400 if we account for crackouts and crossovers), and there are maybe 50 Wagners. So if O'Hara and Demmitt are about $3K in VG condition, where would that put a "common" Wagner? Maybe $10K? Or maybe even north of Magie, since there are more Magie errors than Wagners?

I realize that the existence of Wagner is what drives pricing for the entire set, so it's kind of an impossible hypothetical.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by pherbener

I think Wagner would rank a bit below the Cobb but more in line with WaJo and Matty. I think the reason that his popularity puts his pricing in line with Cobb in other sets is because of the "legend" of the T206 Wags.

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