Clayton Kershaw

JustCollectVP · #1 05-15-2016, 10:29 AM

I'm on the Pedro/Koufax bandwagon with respect to post-war dominance over a specific period of their careers. Clemens, Maddux and Johnson may have had better numbers over a longer length of career, but over a consecutive 3-4 year stretch, I'll take Pedro first and then Sandy. They were so much better than their contemporaries over their respective stretches that I would challenge someone to provide evidence that anyone was better since the end of WWII.

I'm still holding my breath that Julio Urias stays healthy, because he reminds me of Pedro throwing from the left side... While obviously putting the cart before the horse and being somewhat blasphemous to the Dodger blue, he may make Kershaw's dominance an afterthought in a few seasons.

chaddurbin · #2 05-15-2016, 01:41 PM

from the pitchers i saw, i would take peak pedro and maddux's longevity. i would also take andy pettite in the playoffs.

as for urias he doesn't profile to be a future ace, i'd say a very good 2 is his ceiling. he's very advanced and polished for his age, thus he can dominate the high minor leagues at 19-20...but his body doesn't project to grow anymore so it's not like he's gonna start throwing like thor syndergaard in a couple years. he definitely doesn't have pedro's electric stuff...but i can hope he gets fed some mexican ped's and start throwing 97-98 soon and reach kershaw's level.

JustCollectVP · #3 05-15-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

from the pitchers i saw, i would take peak pedro and maddux's longevity. i would also take andy pettite in the playoffs.

as for urias he doesn't profile to be a future ace, i'd say a very good 2 is his ceiling. he's very advanced and polished for his age, thus he can dominate the high minor leagues at 19-20...but his body doesn't project to grow anymore so it's not like he's gonna start throwing like thor syndergaard in a couple years. he definitely doesn't have pedro's electric stuff...but i can hope he gets fed some mexican ped's and start throwing 97-98 soon and reach kershaw's level.

We shall see.

You don't need to be able to throw through a wall, but know how to pitch around it. I think Urias' arsenal and growing maturity will surprise those that project him to be a midland starter and claim he's just been a men among boys so far.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 05-15-2016, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JustCollectVP

I'm on the Pedro/Koufax bandwagon with respect to post-war dominance over a specific period of their careers. Clemens, Maddux and Johnson may have had better numbers over a longer length of career, but over a consecutive 3-4 year stretch, I'll take Pedro first and then Sandy. They were so much better than their contemporaries over their respective stretches that I would challenge someone to provide evidence that anyone was better since the end of WWII.

I'm still holding my breath that Julio Urias stays healthy, because he reminds me of Pedro throwing from the left side... While obviously putting the cart before the horse and being somewhat blasphemous to the Dodger blue, he may make Kershaw's dominance an afterthought in a few seasons.

3-4 years is a very short time. Dizzy Dean would be up there for such a short stretch too. Alexander and Johnson had some mind blowing short stretches.

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