Do creases still bother collectors as much

[TheNightmanCometh]

As a little fun side project I'm collecting '51 Bowmans of Braves players. I actually think light creases on the cards add character. I don't feel the same about Topps cards, though.

[DBesse27]

No creases. I don't care much about centering.

[Leon]

I am ok with creases (on some cards that are relatively expensive) but not in the facial area. However, centering is what I care about most. It doesn't have to be a 4, it could be a 2. This one might skew some vcp...

[ls7plus]

Depends on how rare and desirable the card is. If its a 1907 Wolverine News Cobb rookie, with a total of 11 graded by both services last time I checked, or a 1923 Lections Ruth, with perhaps only a dozen or so around at all, I'd much rather have a creased example than no example at all. And neither of those is leaving my collection any time in the foreseeable future. If, on the other hand, the card in question is much more commonly seen, then a creased card doesn't make much sense to purchase. I wouldn't have minded acquiring the E107 Wagner in the last REA auction, for example. Even with creases, paper loss on the front, a pinhole, and other indicia of wear, it brought about $57,000.00, if memory serves correctly, and was a good purchase IMHO.

Happy collecting,

Larry

[TheNightmanCometh]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am ok with creases (on some cards that are relatively expensive) but not in the facial area. However, centering is what I care about most. It doesn't have to be a 4, it could be a 2. This one might skew some vcp...

With the '51 Bowmans I have the creases are in the corners or near the corners. Definitely agree that a big crease that covers the player is a creased card I don't really want.

[mrmopar]

You take what you can get on tough issues, but I'd rather not have any creasing or bad centering. I am not a big spender though, so this is rarely an issue. I wait for a better copy if I need to.

I have a 56 T Mantle that has some light creasing but it still looks decent and I didn't want to spend the bigger $$ for a better one.

[pokerplyr80]

I picked the centered 4 with the crease but only because I wouldn't even consider the other two. It would have to be a very tough card, something along the lines of Leon's 52 Mantle for me to seek out a card with a crease. A card I could not otherwise own. A Ruth RC, CJ Cobb, Matty, Jackson, etc. I would take a centered card with a spider wrinkle all day in those cases. If I can afford to wait for a better example with other cards I will.

[Harliduck]

This discussion has mainly been about graded cards, and I own my share of high end SGC cards, but creases are an absolute deal breaker for me. In my youth my prized card was a 65 Namath RC. It was perfectly centered and corners were sharp...but it was creased right through the middle. I was the local hero for owning it (pre-internet most only saw cards like that in a book or a becket) and as much as I LOVED the card, I hated it too.

Being a set builder, I will never buy a card with any creasing. OC (to a degree) is OK...corners can be a little fuzzy...but zero creasing. My set standards are 4 to 7's ideally and I am sure I have a few that could grade higher. Anything that comes in my initial lots that don't meet my criteria I upgrade after the set is done (or during as I keep a list).

So for me, creasing is completely out. I respect the high grade collectors here that covet centering, and I am sure if most of you guys were looking through my binders you would often cringe...haha..but you won't find creases. There are the obvious exceptions...I wouldn't turn down ANY shape 52 Mantle, but even my 55 Clemente is crease free (SGC 4, PSA would give it a OC).

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

No creases. I don't care much about centering.

....for those who don't care too much about centering , there is an entire decade of Topps out there for you....

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[irv]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

....for those who don't care too much about centering , there is an entire decade of Topps out there for you....

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Yep, I own many 52 Topps cards that are OC.

Premium prices are paid for centered copies, especially in the 311 and up numbers.

[Leon]

Not to beat the dead horse but the best centered cards won/are winning in the poll as well as everyday practices, if what I am seeing in the hobby is legit . (and I think most of it is). I have seen far greater eye appeal issues with roller marks on these '51 Mantle cards. For this to get a 2, to me, is somewhat disingenuous. It is my opinion that PSA wants resubmissions...and they won't get one from me on this one. Or the other one I have coming in. I am not playing the resubmit game (yet) and am hoping cards sell for what they are supposed to based on what most collectors want, eye appeal. I would like to see a better '51 Mantle in a PSA 2 holder....that is a challenge? (shown above too but this is a bit larger to capture all of the flaws) I don't know how anyone in the hobby would say that is a 2 on of a scale of 10 ? Really?

[Rookiemonster]

Wow that's got some eye appeal Leon ! I have no clue how it is a 2 . Great example of what is going on.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not to beat the dead horse but the best centered cards won/are winning in the poll as well as everyday practices, if what I am seeing in the hobby is legit . (and I think most of it is). I have seen far greater eye appeal issues with roller marks on these '51 Mantle cards. For this to get a 2, to me, is somewhat disingenuous. It is my opinion that PSA wants resubmissions...and they won't get one from me on this one. Or the other one I have coming in. I am not playing the resubmit game (yet) and am hoping cards sell for what they are supposed to based on what most collectors want, eye appeal. I would like to see a better '51 Mantle in a PSA 2 holder....that is a challenge? (shown above too but this is a bit larger to capture all of the flaws) I don't know how anyone in the hobby would say that is a 2 on of a scale of 10 ? Really?

Leon, I have said it many times on here, through my educating/research, there isn't a lot of consistency when it comes to grading it seems.

I have seen more than a few 4's that look a lot worse than your card, and some are fairly new submissions.

Luckily for you, I would assume you saved hundreds purchasing that 2 compared to a 4 or higher, or did you submit this one and it only came back a 2?
If that is the case, then I don't blame you for not wanting to play the re-submit game.