Pwcc

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have not bought anything from Levi in a long time.

look how much he counters you on a BIN...try 10 examples..let me know if he goes down by more than 1 or 2%

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

look how much he counters you on a BIN...try 10 examples..let me know if he goes down by more than 1 or 2%

That may be, but I was not talking about Levi, he has his own model and obviously it works for him.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That may be, but I was not talking about Levi, he has his own model and obviously it works for him.

right..and pwcc has a model too and works for them..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right..and pwcc has a model too and works for them..

I agree, but what does any of this have to do with my point that there are many places in my opinion to buy cards?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I agree, but what does any of this have to do with my point that there are many places in my opinion to buy cards?

cards yes..but not the key cards the poster was talking about ie waterside properties...where can i get a nice RC mantle 1951.....eventually can get a shot at it in a pwcc auction or maybe another auction..much harder to find a private seller out there

you want a 1954 topps psa 8 kaline...one is listed on ebay now for 10k....5 or so of them have sold the last 3 months with pwcc for 6-7k......where else can you get a psa 8 kaline in the next 30 days....one will be listed soon with pwcc.....if looking for a common 1954 topps psa 6...normal guy..yeah lots of places to look

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

look how much he counters you on a BIN...try 10 examples..let me know if he goes down by more than 1 or 2%

I got a 3% discount last time (35 off a 1250 list) when I offered to buy off ebay through his website. I was looking for slightly more.

As for PWCC prices I think they seem high because we all watch the big cards breaking records. But they're breaking records everywhere right now. Memory Lane, REA, Heritage, Goodwin. Every time an auction ends there is a thread about the price of some card or cards. There are deals available on all of them, PWCC included. Just not on cards like Clemente and Rose rookies.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I got a 3% discount last time (35 off a 1250 list) when I offered to buy off ebay through his website. I was looking for slightly more.

As for PWCC prices I think they seem high because we all watch the big cards breaking records. But they're breaking records everywhere right now. Memory Lane, REA, Heritage, Goodwin. Every time an auction ends there is a thread about the price of some card or cards. There are deals available on all of them, PWCC included. Just not on cards like Clemente and Rose rookies.

right..but clemente cards look cheap now if bought them 3 months ago......its about the key cards....its always about the key cards with auction houses.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Maybe they are a grade or more short of waterfront status but in the last year or so I have bought a Mays 5.5, Aaron 5.5, Koufax 6, Clemente 6, F and B Robinson 7, lots of 60s and 70s RCs in 7 and 8, 50s Mantles in 7, at what I considered good prices from various sources none of which happened to be PWCC. There is a lot more to the world than 5 rookies in 8s.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe they are a grade or more short of waterfront status but in the last year or so I have bought a Mays 5.5, Aaron 5.5, Koufax 6, Clemente 6, F and B Robinson 7, lots of 60s and 70s RCs in 7 and 8, 50s Mantles in 7, at what I considered good prices from various sources none of which happened to be PWCC. There is a lot more to the world than 5 rookies in 8s.

right most of those arent the cards that people are offering bountys for....people are talking about high grade CJ jackons etc....good luck finding those direct at a price you want ..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right most of those arent the cards that people are offering bountys for....people are talking about high grade CJ jackons etc....good luck finding those direct at a price you want ..

Beastmode's claim that there was noplace else to buy seemed a lot broader than a few elite cards. That is what I was responding to. It has never been easy to find a high grade CJ Jackson, don't kid yourself.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Beastmode's claim that there was noplace else to buy seemed a lot broader than a few elite cards. That is what I was responding to. It has never been easy to find a high grade CJ Jackson, don't kid yourself.

understood..tough to find a green cobb in a 4 centered as well etc....there are lots of people that go on net54 that have seen the ebay bins but want a better example of a card and offer bountys and theres a good chance they do show up at a pwcc auction..... its about price and being able to find the card..

[Touch'EmAll]

There is a lot more to the world than 1950's-60's RC's. Er, um, uh, how about pre-war? The current RC craze now makes pre-war look more value minded than ever before. I was never into RC's, and now double no. Putting my $ into top tier pre-war HOFers in mid grade and higher, I have no regrets.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

There is a lot more to the world than 1950's-60's RC's. Er, um, uh, how about pre-war? The current RC craze now makes pre-war look more value minded than ever before. I was never into RC's, and now double no. Putting my $ into top tier pre-war HOFers in mid grade and higher, I have no regrets.

I agree. There were some very nice prewar cards of major HOFers that sold pretty modestly in Heritage, for example, including a couple I was lucky enough to win. Green Cobbs, Yellow Ruths, and maybe a couple of others are really hot, but otherwise, prices seem pretty stable to me.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

There is a lot more to the world than 1950's-60's RC's. Er, um, uh, how about pre-war? The current RC craze now makes pre-war look more value minded than ever before. I was never into RC's, and now double no. Putting my $ into top tier pre-war HOFers in mid grade and higher, I have no regrets.

The '50's and '60's are simply the focus of the hobby right now, just as they were in the late '80's to the early to mid '90's. Pre-WWI held that status until the last few years, and it will shift over time with cards, just as it has with coins and collectible cars. IMHO, the big values for key rookie HOF'ers from the '50's and '60's will be cyclical, as there are too many for linear growth and appreciation--about 200 PSA '54 Aarons in "8" or better, for example. $55,000 for one may still have some room for appreciation, but it will eventually cycle downwards, although remaining above where it was at when this last focus upon that era began. As the eminent author-dealer-collector Q. David Bowers said with regard to coins, what was in focus or favor during one decade seldom held that status in the next.

Personally, for the long run, I'd rather have my money in items far more rare and at least as significant, such as the 1907 Dietsche Fielding Pose Cobb rookie, 1907 Wolverine News Cobb Portrait (a very rare piece, and the photo simply captures the true essence of the man), 1939 V351 Ted Williams rookie, or even the 1929 Leader Novelty Ott rookie I obtained from Leon's Heritage auction last year. If such items follow the trend of coins or cars of analogous status, you'll see much more linear appreciation for them.

Once more, may your collecting bring you joy above all else,

Larry