Pwcc

botn · #1 05-31-2016, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i guess you are referring to those great BINs...and people never want new records highs or think they have the best example of a card for the grade when dealing with private sellers...and of course private sellers never list a card and when cant get what they want do the 'ill keep it'

theres no 'ill keep it' with pwcc..if you win the item you going to get the card 99.99% i assume...pwcc doesnt say 'ill keep it..

too easy to say you get a better deal buying direct...the other issue is from who? you see people begging for cards on net54 all the time even offering reward to people who can find the card....and that sought after card can and does show up on in a pwcc auction on more than one occasion....easy to say its cheaper somewhere else ..without knowing where somewhere else is.....not saying you can never find a better deal somewhere else but you cant say the opposite either

There are many other options outside of PWCC for buying cards. Just look in VCP and pick any card and look at what PWCC gets for it in a particular month and then look at others which have sold for in the same month. The PWCC premium is material.

jmb · #2 05-31-2016, 05:18 PM

This is approximately a $1000 card listed last night. 92 bids, really, most one user ID ? Just a complete waste of time. Who has the time to bid that many times ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...EAAOSwQaJXTJHW

Snapolit1 · #3 05-31-2016, 05:31 PM

Guy apparently does the same thing on comic book related toys, so who knows. Seems like a huge waste of time and energy to me. You are not getting a $1000 card for $200. He should know that. So bid $500 and see what happens. Not that you will get it at $500 either. . . .

Peter_Spaeth · #4 05-31-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Guy apparently does the same thing on comic book related toys, so who knows. Seems like a huge waste of time and energy to me. You are not getting a $1000 card for $200. He should know that. So bid $500 and see what happens. Not that you will get it at $500 either. . . .

He has 77 bids on it so far lol.

swarmee · #5 05-31-2016, 05:37 PM

There are some shill bidders who make tons of incremental bids in order to get their item higher in the search rankings or the Hottest cards list.

begsu1013 · #6 05-31-2016, 06:34 PM

even if it technically doesn't "hurt" anything, it shouldn't be done!

in fact if it's him bidding on his card to help w/ the "hot/number of bids factor", it seems like the only thing it could hurt is the number of bidders that would actually decide to go in because of such activity.

irv · #7 05-31-2016, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jmb

This is approximately a $1000 card listed last night. 92 bids, really, most one user ID ? Just a complete waste of time. Who has the time to bid that many times ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...EAAOSwQaJXTJHW

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He has 77 bids on it so far lol.

He is bidding against himself over and over again? It's not like someone beat his previous bid so he outbid them again, he is bidding against his own previous bids.

Bidder Click here to know more about anonymous user IDs Bid Amount Bid Time

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $495.00
May-31-16 11:54:23 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $480.00
May-31-16 11:54:21 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $465.00
May-31-16 11:54:11 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $450.00
May-31-16 11:54:08 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $440.00
May-31-16 11:54:05 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $430.00
May-31-16 11:54:02 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $420.00
May-31-16 11:53:59 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $410.00
May-31-16 11:53:56 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $400.00
May-31-16 11:53:48 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $390.00
May-31-16 11:53:45 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $380.00
May-31-16 09:59:29 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $370.00
May-31-16 09:59:26 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $360.00
May-31-16 09:59:04 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $350.00
May-31-16 09:58:59 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $340.00
May-31-16 09:58:54 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $330.00
May-31-16 09:58:50 PDT

h***a ( 174Feedback score is 100 to 499) US $320.00
May-31-16 06:48:17 PDT

TheNightmanCometh · #8 05-31-2016, 09:43 PM

If I were to try and bid up my item, not that I ever would, that's exactly how I would do it. I don't want to throw in a number if I don't know what the max bid is. If it's $200 and I bid $500 then I essentially kill any and all potential action. Now, if I bid $10 at a time then once I hit past the bidders max bid it's only $10 more, thus not killing the action.

1952boyntoncollector · #9 06-01-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by botn

There are many other options outside of PWCC for buying cards. Just look in VCP and pick any card and look at what PWCC gets for it in a particular month and then look at others which have sold for in the same month. The PWCC premium is material.

lets check 1951 bowman psa 4-5 mantles and the same waterfront cards..check out hank aaron 1954 topps....lets test the theory....you will see the other auction sites get record prices on the hot cards .pwcc has an auction every month which isnt like other places.....getting something now versus waiting later is worth something too...and also just having it avialable..

botn · #10 06-01-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

lets check 1951 bowman psa 4-5 mantles and the same waterfront cards..check out hank aaron 1954 topps....lets test the theory....you will see the other auction sites get record prices on the hot cards .pwcc has an auction every month which isnt like other places.....getting something now versus waiting later is worth something too...and also just having it avialable..

There are far more cards than the "waterfront" cards which are selling right now and in the recent past and in most cases if you look in VCP and compare PWCC results to others sold at the same time, PWCC's sell for more...much more. Knock yourself out and take a look.

Touch'EmAll · #11 06-01-2016, 10:21 AM

...none of this mainstream stuff is rare, just expensive.

Here we go again with demand far more important than supply to determine price. Looking at PSA pops for some expensive cards (RC's) and I shake my head the prices are so high considering hundreds upon hundreds are out there.

Then look at the 1920's exhibits of Ruth, Gehrig, Hornsby and Walter Johnson - minuscule pops. Or the 1940 Foxx SGC 88 I posted has PSA pop of like 9 in the grade.

Looking at a past post, as a kid in the 70's I always wanted to pull Ryan, Seaver, Jackson, Rose, etc. - didn't give a darn about rookies - actually was disappointed with the rookies. I wanted any All Star with the extra all star ink/shield/star way more than any rookie. Then around early 1980's RC's started to become popular. I remember going back and scrounging for a stacked and forgotten Dale Murphy rc, or an Ozzie rc or an Eckersly rc - found them, and remember selling them as I thought they were overpriced way back then.

Snapolit1 · #12 06-01-2016, 11:57 AM

I own the entire series of Leaf exhibits. Probably the top rated set if I bothered to register. Some of them are a total universe of under 10. Minuscule. Ruth, Gehrig, McGraw, a few others. Demand form these seems pretty low. Go figure. But someone will pay 1000s for a rookie card from 1975. Can't figure the market and certainly not smart to fight it.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 06-01-2016, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I own the entire series of Leaf exhibits. Probably the top rated set if I bothered to register. Some of them are a total universe of under 10. Minuscule. Ruth, Gehrig, McGraw, a few others. Demand form these seems pretty low. Go figure. But someone will pay 1000s for a rookie card from 1975. Can't figure the market and certainly not smart to fight it.

A PSA 6 Koufax now goes for more than a PSA 5 T202 Cobb. From a strict collecting standpoint it makes no sense.

Exhibitman · #14 06-01-2016, 12:17 PM

Manias don't make sense, Peter, especially in retrospect. I mean, tulip bulbs? Pogs?? Beanie Babies??? When the end buyers, as opposed to the flippers, finally have their cards, the mania will stop and whoever is left holding the bag will lose a lot of money.

botn · #15 06-01-2016, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A PSA 6 Koufax now goes for more than a PSA 5 T202 Cobb. From a strict collecting standpoint it makes no sense.

And up until 4 months ago you could have 2 Koufax 6s for what a single T202 Cobb 5 costs. Those darn "waterfront" cards.

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