Letter to george and other "haters"--ali (cont.)

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

No, I think it caused you to lose the ability to see any perspective whatsoever other than your own. That's too bad.

Other than my brother, my entire family served or at least tried to. Stepdad in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, dad in Korea, stepbrother and stepsister in Vietnam. My brother in law has done two tours in Iraq and two more in Afghanistan as a Navy corpsman going out with the Marines. I appreciate the sacrifices that they and others made, but unlike you, most of those in my family seem to have been able to keep a broader perspective than your myopic one.

Differences aside, a sincere thank you to your family members that serve(d). Just curious though, what do they think of Ali dodging the draft?

[Kenny Cole]

Dad is dead, so I can't ask him. He pulled for Ali against Frazier though. My stepdad didn't like the decision Ali made when drafted, but thought he did more than enough good afterward to atone for it. I talked to him just a little about it the other day. I haven't asked, but I'm sure my stepbrother feels somewhat like you do, and I'm sure my stepsister feels 100% the opposite way. Those two are complete polar opposites, always disagree about everything, and don't even talk anymore.

[slidekellyslide]

There are some realllllly stupid (and likely racist) people inhabiting this forum. Ali sucks because he's a draft dodger, but Ted Nugent, a real draft dodger, and pedophile RAWKS!!!1 Oh, and John Kerry who voluntarily signed up for the war in Vietnam is somehow a draft dodger???

Shaking my head......

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

There are some realllllly stupid (and likely racist) people inhabiting this forum. Ali sucks because he's a draft dodger, but Ted Nugent, a real draft dodger, and pedophile RAWKS!!!1 Oh, and John Kerry who voluntarily signed up for the war in Vietnam is somehow a draft dodger???

Shaking my head......

Ali referred to white people as "the enemy". Show me a comment in this thread that is more racist than that! I won't hold my breath.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ali referred to white people as "the enemy". Show me a comment in this thread that is more racist than that! I won't hold my breath.

I can get past and forgive many of the things he said and did during the 1960's and early 70's as he was pretty much a puppet of the Nation of Islam. He was a follower at that point, not a leader. He parroted what they told him to say. Not that that makes it right, but considering the times, considering what he saw going on around him, and considering how proud of a man he always was, I can personally get past that.

I just haven't been able to get past what he put Frazier through and never personally apologized for.

Tom C

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ali referred to white people as "the enemy". Show me a comment in this thread that is more racist than that! I won't hold my breath.

Wow its unbelievable that people don't realize he was just a kid being influenced and used by others for political purposes.

I bet there isn't a person on the board that has said or done something racist when they were younger and regretted if not hated themselves for it.

We don't know what was in his heart or mind at the time so why are we judging a man? Because he was famous and we can sit in our glass houses and high horses while we do it.

[joeadcock]

Originally Posted by ksabet

Wow its unbelievable that people don't realize he was just a kid being influenced and used by others for political purposes.

I bet there isn't a person on the board that has said or done something racist when they were younger and regretted if not hated themselves for it.

We don't know what was in his heart or mind at the time so why are we judging a man? Because he was famous and we can sit in our glass houses and high horses while we do it.

True.....but when one realizes this, they should disown it if they indeed believe they were wronged.

Agree, we dont know what was in his mind/heart at that time or even at the end. Only ONE knows that, and where you end up He decides.

[vintagetoppsguy]

“Integration is wrong."

“My enemies are white people"“

"All Jews and gentiles are devils"

"Everything black people doing wrong comes from the white people—drinking, smoking, prostitution, homosexuality, stealing, gambling—it all comes from the white people.

”Chinese love Chinese—they love their little slanted-eyed, pretty brown-skinned babies. Pakistanis love their culture. Jewish people love their culture. Lotta Catholics don’t wanna marry nothing but Catholics, they want their religion to stay the same. Who wanna spot up yourself and kill your race? You a hater of your people if you don’t want to stay who you are.”

“A black man should be killed if he’s messing with a white woman."

Hero? This is your hero? Or should we just overlook all this now that he's gone?

EDITED TO ADD: IF YOU REALLY CONSIDER A MAN THAT SPOKE THESE WORDS A 'HERO', NO WONDER OUR COUNTRY IS SO DIVIDED