Liquidity & Investing vs collecting

itslarry · #1 06-09-2016, 09:54 AM

Man everyone is talking about this, not always from the same vantage point tho. Id be kind of scared with all the shills and fakes. To eaxh their own tho
http://http://www.blowoutcards.com/f...a-10s-now.html

Sean · #2 06-09-2016, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by itslarry

Man everyone is talking about this, not always from the same vantage point tho. Id be kind of scared with all the shills and fakes. To eaxh their own tho
http://http://www.blowoutcards.com/f...a-10s-now.html

I can't get this link to work.

ezez420 · #3 06-09-2016, 10:47 AM

Lots of idiots. Especially the ones that admit they are trying to create and alter a market. And the ones that believe money buys intelligence.

Bpm0014 · #4 06-09-2016, 11:04 AM

Bat on Shoulder WOULD NOT grade again.... The red is probably ok.... The bat on can't tell....

mechanicalman · #5 06-09-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Bat on Shoulder WOULD NOT grade again.... The red is probably ok.... The bat on can't tell....

Forgive me for the digression, but I have a hobby question for the experts: does the Red Cobb portrait generally have naturally thinner east and west borders than the others? I can't remember the last time I saw a "fat-bordered" version of the Red when compared to the Bat Off, for example.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-09-2016, 12:29 PM

Mine seems to have normal looking borders?

Bpm0014 · #7 06-09-2016, 01:12 PM

Brendan, the Wagner seems to have more of a curvature on the top of the card. The Cobb Bat On may have that same curve on the bottom of the card.

Look closely on the bottom of the Wagner....left side to about midway thru his name....fairly pronounced.

Touch'EmAll · #8 06-09-2016, 11:09 AM

Great large scan of the Wagner. I just used a ruler with centimeter markings and millimeter fractions - and looks like the bottom width is tad wider than top width. But it is just my crude measurement, could very well be off, and I wear glasses - eyesight not the best. And who knows - the factory cuts back then weren't perfect, I assume. If you had to pick the worst corner, would be the upper right - if it were cut, one would want to address that particular corner - goes along with my measurement trial.

The original post spoke of liquidity - its a different world now with auction houses offering money up front, and eBay where you can realize $ in your bank acct. in 2 weeks of listing.

And not all cards are going up. PWCC ended a T205 Cobb PSA 6 that went over $1.k less than it did in 2006. I have been eyeing a PSA 5 Cobb M116 on eBay for $2750. - kinda thought it would be gone by now at that price, but not. Could be wrong, but most of us don't own majority of our collections with waterfront cards. Just be happy if you own a couple, enjoy the rest of your collection. Hopefully the waterfront card market rise will trickle down to what us common folk own.

4815162342 · #9 06-09-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Great large scan of the Wagner. I just used a ruler with centimeter markings and millimeter fractions - and looks like the bottom width is tad wider than top width. But it is just my crude measurement, could very well be off, and I wear glasses - eyesight not the best. And who knows - the factory cuts back then weren't perfect, I assume. If you had to pick the worst corner, would be the upper right - if it were cut, one would want to address that particular corner - goes along with my measurement trial.

Do you seriously not recognize that Wagner?

boneheadandrube · #10 06-09-2016, 11:17 AM

All four of those cards look trimmed...I thought the "Flip Monkeys" knew not to buy high grade in the old style cases?

Beastmode · #11 06-09-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheadandrube

All four of those cards look trimmed...I thought the "Flip Monkeys" knew not to buy high grade in the old style cases?

"Flip Monkey"; now that's funny

Leon · #12 06-09-2016, 11:22 AM

I suggest you forget the measurement trial. The trial that mattered was Mastro's and he is in jail for trimming it, saying he didn't, and pleading guilty to it (from what I recall).

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...icle-1.1482098

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Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Great large scan of the Wagner. I just used a ruler with centimeter markings and millimeter fractions - and looks like the bottom width is tad wider than top width. But it is just my crude measurement, could very well be off, and I wear glasses - eyesight not the best. And who knows - the factory cuts back then weren't perfect, I assume. If you had to pick the worst corner, would be the upper right - if it were cut, one would want to address that particular corner - goes along with my measurement trial.

The original post spoke of liquidity - its a different world now with auction houses offering money up front, and eBay where you can realize $ in your bank acct. in 2 weeks of listing.

And not all cards are going up. PWCC ended a T205 Cobb PSA 6 that went over $1.k less than it did in 2006. I have been eyeing a PSA 5 Cobb M116 on eBay for $2750. - kinda thought it would be gone by now at that price, but not. Could be wrong, but most of us don't own majority of our collections with waterfront cards. Just be happy if you own a couple, enjoy the rest of your collection. Hopefully the waterfront card market rise will trickle down to what us common folk own.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 06-09-2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by itslarry

Man everyone is talking about this, not always from the same vantage point tho. Id be kind of scared with all the shills and fakes. To eaxh their own tho
http://http://www.blowoutcards.com/f...a-10s-now.html

The stories will intersect if they have not already; obviously the high prices on certain cards create even stronger incentives to bring fakes (using the term broadly to include 9s in 10 holders etc.) to the market.

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