WOW! 1960 Yaz rookie PSA 9

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The most compelling criticism I have seen of Yaz is that his numbers were in large part due to park effects and that he really wasn't all that good on the road. I think Tabe if I am remembering correctly made a pretty strong case for that.

His splits were not that bad on the road. If that's the case, let's start penalizing players career stats today, b/c they play in the launching pad stadiums of today. Plus, home versus away didn't affect his gold gloves. I'm not saying that he is a top tier Hall of Famer. I am just saying that at the time of his election, how could he be denied.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Carl Yastrzemski
Home/Away---BA----Slg.--onbase------HR------D------T------RBI----AB-----BB
Home:------.306---.503----.405------237----382-----38---1,063---5,948---959
Away:------.264----.422----.360-------215----264-----21------781---6,040---886

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Carl Yastrzemski
Home/Away---BA----Slg.--onbase------HR------D------T------RBI----AB-----BB
Home:------.306---.503----.405------237----382-----38---1,063---5,948---959
Away:------.264----.422----.360-------215----264-----21------781---6,040---886

What does this prove, that Yaz wasn't a Hall of Famer at the time of his election? Not every Hall of Famer is going to have Ruthian stats. You have certain players who are of course superior to others, but that doesn't mean that they are not worthy on a certain level. Don't forget to add in his GG's, unless you don't want to count defensive awards. Then again, there are people who argue that Nolan Ryan isn't Hall of Fame worthy b/c of his winning %age and lack of Cy Youngs, so nothing surprises me in these conversations.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

What does this prove, that Yaz wasn't a Hall of Famer at the time of his election? Not every Hall of Famer is going to have Ruthian stats. You have certain players who are of course superior to others, but that doesn't mean that they are not worthy on a certain level. Don't forget to add in his GG's, unless you don't want to count defensive awards. Then again, there are people who argue that Nolan Ryan isn't Hall of Fame worthy b/c of his winning %age and lack of Cy Youngs, so nothing surprises me in these conversations.

No he is clearly a HOFer, it would be insane to argue otherwise, just perhaps not quite as good as his popularity/mythology suggests.

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No he is clearly a HOFer, it would be insane to argue otherwise, just perhaps not quite as good as his popularity/mythology suggests.

I really don't think that he is all that popular/mythical outside of the Boston area, although when it comes to key rookies in 60's baseball cards, he is in the top ten, arguably top 5(only Rose and Ryan clearly ahead). I think that's the driving force behind this card, more than just Yaz himself.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

I really don't think that he is all that popular/mythical outside of the Boston area, although when it comes to key rookies in 60's baseball cards, he is in the top ten, arguably top 5(only Rose and Ryan clearly ahead). I think that's the driving force behind this card, more than just Yaz himself.

I don't follow, if he is a key rookie it is because of his popularity, no?

[thenextlevel]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't follow, if he is a key rookie it is because of his popularity, no?

No. It is because if you are a collector of key rookie cards, then he is one of the few Hall of Famers with cards in the sixties. It doesn't mean Yaz would be considered a top Hall of Famer by baseball standards. Let's separate the hobby side of his popularity from the sporting side. I am not saying he is not popular, but you seem to be insinuating that he is thought of as one baseball's most revered players, bc he played for the Red Sox.

[PM770]

Originally Posted by thenextlevel

key rookies in 60's baseball cards, he is in the top ten, arguably top 5(only Rose and Ryan clearly ahead).

This would be a great thread topic.

[CMIZ5290]

I probably did not do a good job of conveying my opinion clearly pertaining Yaz. Of course he should be a HOFer. But I do put him in the category of other players like Brooks Robinson and Phil Niekro. All three of these guys deserve to be in, but there are question marks pertaining each one of them. As Peter posted previously, Yaz only hit .260 on the road for his career. The real point I was trying to make on the original post of the thread, is it's baffling as to why his rookie card commands the price it does in extremely high grade. The mystique of playing in Boston and Fenway for almost a quarter of a century has to play a huge part in it.