Anyone heard of a Waner/Collins/Speaker… 3k hit ticket

[ngrow9]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

3,000 hits and 3,000 strikeouts were not newsworthy at the time that these events occurred. When I owned the Speaker ticket I recall looking up archived microfilm (it has been a long time LOL) box scores and write up about the game. Not a single newspaper that I looked at commented on the 3,000 hit milestone! At the time it wasn't apparently something that the sports writers of the day even talked about. The fact that Speaker was only the 2nd batsman to accomplish it at the time in the modern era (Cobb being the other), you would think it would be worth mentioning, but no!

Along the same lines, Walter Johnson reached 3,000 K's and I'm not sure that he received much press on this as well at the time.
Perhaps this is why tickets were not saved; these milestones were not celebrated...

I just finished reading The Numbers Game by Alan Schwartz, which is an excellent history of statistics in baseball. It turns out that the record keeping was so shoddy back during the pre-war era that no one would have known at the time that a particular hit was a player's 3,000th. MLB's record keeping wasn't formalized to the point that such data would have been available until years later.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ngrow9

I just finished reading The Numbers Game by Alan Schwartz, which is an excellent history of statistics in baseball. It turns out that the record keeping was so shoddy back during the pre-war era that no one would have known at the time that a particular hit was a player's 3,000th. MLB's record keeping wasn't formalized to the point that such data would have been available until years later.

Nathanial (Nate),
I think you are totally correct, FWIW.

[GDoggy]

Scott, is this the ticket that you had that was the Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket? Thought people might want to see it. Story behind the ticket is item #2 of this thread (if this is the same ticket): "The ticket was discovered perhaps 20-25 years ago in a frame along with 2-3 Cleveland Indians World Series tickets from the 1920's by a close hobby friend in the Cleveland area that specializes in ephemera. The ticket stub did not have a printed date, but did have the date written on the back in pencil. All of the tickets in the frame had pencil date inscriptions on the back written by the same patron."

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by GDoggy

Scott, is this the ticket that you had that was the Tris Speaker 3,000th hit ticket? Thought people might want to see it. Story behind the ticket is item #2 of this thread (if this is the same ticket): "The ticket was discovered perhaps 20-25 years ago in a frame along with 2-3 Cleveland Indians World Series tickets from the 1920's by a close hobby friend in the Cleveland area that specializes in ephemera. The ticket stub did not have a printed date, but did have the date written on the back in pencil. All of the tickets in the frame had pencil date inscriptions on the back written by the same patron."

That is one in the same. I haven't seen it since 2000 or 2001.

[Lgarza99]

Some beautiful tickets guys! I'm just starting to look at tickets and I see proofs and passes, as well as full and stub tickets. I like the ideal of stubs because they were present in the stadium. I'm sure some events one would have to take what they can get. My question is are proofs and passes considered more desirable then full and stub tickets? Sorry for the beginner question, but thanks for any feedback.

Luis

[mcgwirecom]

Hi Luis,

Collecting tickets is a great part of the memorabilia hobby. As you said, the ticket was actually at the event. Plus they are far, far more limited than baseball cards.

To answer your question about proofs and passes, to a true collector they are less valuable than a DATED stub or full ticket. There are those out there who try and get a lot for a pass because they will tell you that it was good for every home game of a certain team, or in the case of a League pass every game in that league. But it is a lazy mans way of filling a spot in his collection. True collectors will always want the dated ticket to a specific game. Proofs are the same. They were not meant for adamission to any game. And as you pointed out a ticket was at the event, and these were not and could not. As a collector I want a ticket that would get me into a specific game.

Ticket collecting is just that, collecting. Most of us pick a genre to collect. I know people who collect all of a players homeruns. Some collect all of a players hits. Others may collect all of his games played! Some people collect all of a teams games from a World Series year. Still others collect certain events like no hitters or hitting for the cycle. Then theres people who collect milestones events like the 500th Homeruns, 3000th hits, 300th wins, 3000th struikeouts. Collecting player debuts has also really taken off. All I can say is that I love the thrill of finding a ticket I need. But I will warn you, at the beginning you will start off quickly gathering tickets and it seems like you will get done pretty fast but it will slow down to a trickle and then it will stop. You have to be very patient if you expect to collect all of a certain them of tickets. I know people who have been at it for more than 25 years and still need a few tickets to complete something.

Originally Posted by Lgarza99

Some beautiful tickets guys! I'm just starting to look at tickets and I see proofs and passes, as well as full and stub tickets. I like the ideal of stubs because they were present in the stadium. I'm sure some events one would have to take what they can get. My question is are proofs and passes considered more desirable then full and stub tickets? Sorry for the beginner question, but thanks for any feedback.

Luis

[Lgarza99]

Hi Randall,

Thanks or your insight on clearing up my questions. I'll definitely stick with dated stub or full tickets. You are right. After looking at what is out there I may start with no-hitters by HOF pitchers? Or maybe 500 HR or 3000 hits tickets? Which ever way this takes me it should be a lot of fun! I'll post my first purchase hopefully soon.