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Old 06-17-2016, 02:38 PM
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I remember hearing an interview of Cobb a couple months back and when asked how he kept it such good shape he said "I walk around a lot when I hunt." So off season training back in the day consisted of just moving around while today every player has a strict daily workout plan just to compete. I think the greats (Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, etc) would be good, but not great players in today's game. Wajo was a flame thrower back in the day and they were saying he threw 91-93 mph, hell every scrub pitcher we have on the Twins throws that.
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Wajo was a flame thrower back in the day and they were saying he threw 91-93 mph
Out of curiosity, where did this into come from? I find it hard to believe that good high school pitchers are throwing harder than WaJo did.
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Nick what we are talking about is today's player vs the old timers.We are not changing the person. I'm sure Ty Cobb on PEDs would be a fine baseball player.
But that's not the topic.

If all the all time greats just materialized on a baseball field as they were all of prime age. If they separate by dead ball era and after. Then separate by teams. Who would win? Even in a series ?

Ok so ,I would say the more modern team would win. The other guys would hang a bit, but lose. IMO at least . so I don't see how interchanging the oldies to the new would work out as great as it would for the the more modern team going back.
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Out of curiosity, where did this into come from? I find it hard to believe that good high school pitchers are throwing harder than WaJo did.
Although a lack of precision instruments prevented accurate measurement of his fastball, in 1917, a Bridgeport, Connecticut munitions laboratory recorded Johnson's fastball at 134 feet per second, which is equal to 91.36 miles per hour (147.03 km/h),
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The new documentary Fastball improves upon the reading of Wajo's fastball as the test the army did was inaccurate given the measurement relied on the ball hitting a backdrop 15 feet behind the plate. Can't remember the correct mph but it was faster than 91
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Although a lack of precision instruments prevented accurate measurement of his fastball, in 1917, a Bridgeport, Connecticut munitions laboratory recorded Johnson's fastball at 134 feet per second, which is equal to 91.36 miles per hour (147.03 km/h),
Thanks for that info, but I would not put much credence in those munition tests. In the before-mentioned documentary Fastball, they mention one of these tests that only measured Johnson's fastball at 122 feet per second or 83 miles per hour.

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Thanks for that info, but I would not put much credence in those munition tests. In the before-mentioned documentary Fastball, they mention one of these tests that only measured Johnson's fastball at 122 feet per second or 83 miles per hour.
That test, which took place in 1912, was flawed to the point of absurdity. It was done in street clothes, with no warmup, and conducted on a range designed to test the speed of rifle bullets. Johnson had to throw overhand, not his usual sidearm, with the ball passing through a field of hanging metal triggers before hitting the backboard. Obviously, he could throw way faster than the machine measured, and he was clocked considerably faster than Nap Rucker, also taking the test as the fastest pitcher in the National League. I've always thought that Johnson threw at least 100 MPH and probably a little more when he let it all out. Feller was measured at 99, and of the many people who saw and even hit against them both in their prime, I never came across anyone claiming that Feller threw harder than Johnson.
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That test, which took place in 1912, was flawed to the point of absurdity. It was done in street clothes, with no warmup, and conducted on a range designed to test the speed of rifle bullets. Johnson had to throw overhand, not his usual sidearm, with the ball passing through a field of hanging metal triggers before hitting the backboard. Obviously, he could throw way faster than the machine measured, and he was clocked considerably faster than Nap Rucker, also taking the test as the fastest pitcher in the National League. I've always thought that Johnson threw at least 100 MPH and probably a little more when he let it all out. Feller was measured at 99, and of the many people who saw and even hit against them both in their prime, I never came across anyone claiming that Feller threw harder than Johnson.
Hank - I agree with you. I was pointing out how inaccurate the tests back then were.

I would also guess that Johnson threw right around 100.
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They fix the errors of the test in the documentary fastball. He in fact did not throw Hundred .
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Every thought that I've Evar had on this Topic...
"Has a Counter thought to it!?"

I Would Howevar, Love ta See Cobb Stare down a Kershaw Curve...
Matty Bliss a Fade Away by Goldschmidt...
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Whatya THiNK Cobb's "Walk uP Music" Would Be?
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