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[irv]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Say what you want about SGC, but these fake cards aren't turning up in SGC slabs. And I know SGC cards don't bring as much money as a PSA counterpart card does, but a fake SGC 96 '86 Jordan or a fake SGC 50 '52 Mantle would still bring a scammer pretty big money. So, ask yourself, why you aren't finding these cards in SGC holders? It's hot outside. How about another big, tall glass of Kool Aid? Cherry or grape?

As most of you know, I'm a small fish in this big collector sea but based on what I have read and seen on here and other avenues/forums numerous times, I must say PSA is quickly falling out of favor with me.

I have seen cards graded way too low for what they are and cards graded way to high for what they are as well.

This resubmit thing also boggles my mind and as someone said once, PSA= "Please Submit Again" it seems to be what they are hoping for time and time again.

I have some PSA graded cards as well as a few SGC's and a couple Beckett's and I will say, I much prefer the SGC slabbed cards more than I do the PSA's.

Beckett's are also nice, and if it's true that they are nearly impossible to crack, they'll get serious consideration over PSA as well if I ever decide to submit my cards.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by irv

Beckett's are also nice, and if it's true that they are nearly impossible to crack, they'll get serious consideration over PSA as well if I ever decide to submit my cards.

I am one of the minority that actually prefers to buy in a beckett slab exactly for this reason. The plus side is they also have a good price point in vintage as not many are on my bandwagon.

The opposite is true for modern as beckett has really made a name there. I think vintage will catch up in values as more begin to mistrust PSA slabs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I am one of the minority that actually prefers to buy in a beckett slab exactly for this reason. The plus side is they also have a good price point in vintage as not many are on my bandwagon.

The opposite is true for modern as beckett has really made a name there. I think vintage will catch up in values as more begin to mistrust PSA slabs.

I have noticed a sharp dropoff in BGS cards relative to PSA. On a few rookies of 80s and 90s players I have looked at recently, a BGS 9.5 barely outsells a PSA 9, and sells for a fraction of a PSA 10.

[botn]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I am one of the minority that actually prefers to buy in a beckett slab exactly for this reason. The plus side is they also have a good price point in vintage as not many are on my bandwagon.

The opposite is true for modern as beckett has really made a name there. I think vintage will catch up in values as more begin to mistrust PSA slabs.

People have been mistrusting PSA slabs for a long time and it has not hurt the registry or prices...it is that concept of something being too big to fail, I guess. In spite of all of their issues I would take a PSA graded card over a Beckett graded card every time. When I see a vintage card in a Beckett holder I immediately start looking for the alteration.

[scotgreb]

I just don't understand why PSA does not scan the cards it grades. It seems like this would solve most of the problems -- at very little, if any, expense.

Scott

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

I just don't understand why PSA does not scan the cards it grades. It seems like this would solve most of the problems -- at very little, if any, expense.

Scott

I agree Scott. Don't they already scan (and print pictures) of PSA/DNA items? Or am I thinking of another company?

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by botn

People have been mistrusting PSA slabs for a long time and it has not hurt the registry or prices...it is that concept of something being too big to fail, I guess. In spite of all of their issues I would take a PSA graded card over a Beckett graded card every time. When I see a vintage card in a Beckett holder I immediately start looking for the alteration.

Not trying to get in a back and forth, but like Leon I find their grading more standard than PSA. I can lay 3 PSA cards with the same midgrade next to each other and they will often look nothing alike. The Becketts will often stay fairly steady.

As for alterations, I have seen many people send a card that BVG or SGC deemed altered given a number by PSA. They all have slip ups and I don't believe that BVG is any worse than the one company that holdered the most famous trimmed card in the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any of them but I like the BVG case for security, that's the main plus to me.

I agree, PSA absolutely sells for a premium and if I was a seller I would use it for the return. However, I am a collector and really enjoy getting what I like at a better price because some stock broker who just wants a card for his desk pays 4x average sale for a brand he recognized more.

[botn]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Not trying to get in a back and forth, but like Leon I find their grading more standard than PSA. I can lay 3 PSA cards with the same midgrade next to each other and they will often look nothing alike. The Becketts will often stay fairly steady.

As for alterations, I have seen many people send a card that BVG or SGC deemed altered given a number by PSA. They all have slip ups and I don't believe that BVG is any worse than the one company that holdered the most famous trimmed card in the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any of them but I like the BVG case for security, that's the main plus to me.

I agree, PSA absolutely sells for a premium and if I was a seller I would use it for the return. However, I am a collector and really enjoy getting what I like at a better price because some stock broker who just wants a card for his desk pays 4x average sale for a brand he recognized more.

Hey Justin,

From a security standpoint, Beckett's holder far surpasses any holder ever designed however as much as I would love to see a third party grader challenge the stranglehold PSA has on the hobby, it is not going to be Beckett. I am glad you are happy with their grading. I have seen far too many cards over the years that have had obvious problems or were not graded very accurately. If I am going to have to settle with an over graded card or one that was graded and should not have been, I would rather that card be in a PSA holder.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by botn

Hey Justin,

From a security standpoint, Beckett's holder far surpasses any holder ever designed however as much as I would love to see a third party grader challenge the stranglehold PSA has on the hobby, it is not going to be Beckett. I am glad you are happy with their grading. I have seen far too many cards over the years that have had obvious problems or were not graded very accurately. If I am going to have to settle with an over graded card or one that was graded and should not have been, I would rather that card be in a PSA holder.

On the card below -

No Signs of Tampering
Beckett got nothin cept - Yea we dont know

[rp12367]

I cracked a low grade card out of a BVG case yesterday. Nearly lost a eye 👀 case seemed practically bullet proof. I remember reading that someone's collection got lost in Hurricane Katrina and the only cards that weren't water damaged were the ones in Beckett slabs. Fraction of the price on vintage and seem to be the preferred with modern collectors esp NBA stuff.

[Leon]

I got back a submission of 9 cards yesterday from BVG. Unfortunately what would have been the highest grade of them came back trimmed. To me the rest looked spot on give or take a half grade. I will continue submitting to SGC and BVG.... To me they are the most consistent. For full transparency, they are both advertisers and PSA would be welcomed as an advertiser too if they so desired.

Originally Posted by irv

As most of you know, I'm a small fish in this big collector sea but based on what I have read and seen on here and other avenues/forums numerous times, I must say PSA is quickly falling out of favor with me.

I have seen cards graded way too low for what they are and cards graded way to high for what they are as well.

This resubmit thing also boggles my mind and as someone said once, PSA= "Please Submit Again" it seems to be what they are hoping for time and time again.

I have some PSA graded cards as well as a few SGC's and a couple Beckett's and I will say, I much prefer the SGC slabbed cards more than I do the PSA's.

Beckett's are also nice, and if it's true that they are nearly impossible to crack, they'll get serious consideration over PSA as well if I ever decide to submit my cards.