Proposed Change to Lessen Manipulative Bidding/Conversation with PWCC/Input Wanted

1952boyntoncollector · #1 06-26-2016, 10:22 AM

one 'quick fix' can be if there is ever a bid retraction on an auction you 'won' you have the option of canceling with no recourse.... i know its not a total fix but i know i would drop out of any auction in which someone bid more than me, then 'retracted'...i would than drop out of that auction but right now i always honor paying on any items i 'won'...so if the rules were clear i coudl get out of a 'win' if there was a bid retraction that may prevent some abuse

Mark17 · #2 06-26-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

one 'quick fix' can be if there is ever a bid retraction on an auction you 'won' you have the option of canceling with no recourse.... i know its not a total fix but i know i would drop out of any auction in which someone bid more than me, then 'retracted'...i would than drop out of that auction but right now i always honor paying on any items i 'won'...so if the rules were clear i coudl get out of a 'win' if there was a bid retraction that may prevent some abuse

I'd take it a step further and say that whenever there is a bid retraction, the bidder who then holds the highest bid should have the option at that point of pulling their bid back as well, and so on, down the line if necessary, until no existing bid was the result of having been inflated by the retracted bid. Everyone should know that every bid they place is against a sincere bidder and not someone who has, or will, retract their bid.

For auction houses, if this is a serious problem, perhaps they should consider having all bidders give them a deposit prior to auction close, that would be non-refundable in case of a retraction that didn't have merit. For ebay, they should automatically ban users after their third retraction, and cross-reference new users (by PayPal account, bank account, credit card numbers, name and address, and so on) to make it harder for them to skirt the rule by opening new accounts.

I recently bid in an auction (the seller was a forum member here in fact,) where I was outbid and that bid was cancelled (not retracted) apparently because the bidder had 0 feedback. It wasn't an issue as I was outbid later anyway but at the time, the cancellation reverted me into the top position. So, the same policy should apply for both retractions and cancellations.

glchen · #3 06-27-2016, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

one 'quick fix' can be if there is ever a bid retraction on an auction you 'won' you have the option of canceling with no recourse.... i know its not a total fix but i know i would drop out of any auction in which someone bid more than me, then 'retracted'...i would than drop out of that auction but right now i always honor paying on any items i 'won'...so if the rules were clear i coudl get out of a 'win' if there was a bid retraction that may prevent some abuse

This won't work, and will only encourage more shilling. The shiller will just have a friend or a fake account put up a bid on the auction, and then retract it. Then if the shiller inadvertently "wins" an auction, they will just say there is a retraction, and back out of the winning bid. However, that data point will still be in VCP and completed sales on ebay. If the shiller does not win the auction, they will just count on the winning bidder purchasing the card anyway even though there is a retraction in the bidding history.

Frankly, I think ebay has to change their software to allow sellers to block bidders who have retractions in their history. For example, I know some retractions may be legitimate like a bidding mistake. However, I would still say sellers should block bidders who have more than 1 retraction per month. The other thing I would say is that ebay should also give sellers the option to show the full bidder id in their auctions (and bidders who know which auctions will show their full id's). If ebay does provide this option, then PWCC should display the full bidder id's in their auctions (and other major consignors like Probstein123 should follow). Finally, I think some major auction houses, if you don't pay after winning an auction, they state that they will publish your name and out you as a nonpaying bidder (I think Clean Sweep has said they would do this). For any repeat non-paying bidders, PWCC should publish the name, city, and state of this person on its website. Hopefully, that would help in dissuading some of the shilling going on.

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