Most over-valued card

[clydepepper]

I'd have to go with the Mantle because it is no longer available to a lot of us.

I realize it is an iconic card in the industry, but it price level should NEVER have reached the Wagner neighborhood.

Let's say there are 60 known Wagner cards in existence...how many '52 Mantles are there? Several thousand? I have no idea.

Now, I realize that a lot of you guys put them in your bicycle spokes ,
but give me a break...

Honorable mention now goes to the M116 Sporting Life - Smoky Joe Wood, a PSA-7 copy of which just sold for $1,925- give me another break.

The Wood card was one of only seven personal white whales I was still looking to land...the Mantle has long since been removed...for realism sake. I will continue to search for a Wood in EX graded condition, but I am not very optimistic.

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

I'd have to go with the Mantle because it is no longer available to a lot of us.

I realize it is an iconic card in the industry, but it price level should NEVER have reached the Wagner neighborhood.

Let's say there are 60 known Wagner cards in existence...how many '52 Mantles are there? Several thousand? I have no idea.

Now, I realize that a lot of you guys put them in your bicycle spokes ,
but give me a break...

Honorable mention now goes to the M116 Sporting Life - Smoky Joe Wood, a PSA-7 copy of which just sold for $1,925- give me another break.

The Wood card was one of only seven personal white whales I was still looking to land...the Mantle has long since been removed...for realism sake. I will continue to search for a Wood in EX graded condition, but I am not very optimistic.

I bid on that Wood card in the early stages.................Then it took off....Just forget it. I bailed

[granite75]

I'll go with Jordan's rookie.

[irv]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1952 Topps #311.

No way!

I think the current, Rose RC is a bit much, but that's just my opinion.

[BeanTown]

1993 Finest Refractors!

[celoknob]

All PSA 9 and 10s.

[bcbgcbrcb]

All T206 "errors".......

[JustinD]

Logic completely dictates it would be the double printed 1952 topps Mantle.

Not even the true rookie and should be valued in the same range as the 51 bowman. Yes, those that have them will say no, but there is nothing but hype supporting those values and that is most certainly not a foundation of stone to hold up investment.

[the 'stache]

Again, respectfully, I have to disagree. Strongly. And I don't own the card.

Mantle is one of the ten greatest offensive players in the annals of Major League Baseball. He was the star for the most successful professional franchise in American sports history, in the biggest metropolitan area in America, at a time when television was exploding, and that team was still winning World Championships. Every kid in America wanted to be the Mick. Fathers named their kids after him. Women threw themselves at him. The Commerce Comet was ripped, charming, if not a little soft spoken initially, and looked like a movie star.

Take all those factors, and then consider that the biggest baseball card company of them all, Topps, made its major set debut in 1952. The 1952 Topps set is to vintage what the T206 set is to pre-war. And Mantle's card was the set's lynchpin.

Oh, and it was short-printed.

Originally Posted by JustinD

Logic completely dictates it would be the double printed 1952 topps Mantle.

Not even the true rookie and should be valued in the same range as the 51 bowman. Yes, those that have them will say no, but there is nothing but hype supporting those values and that is most certainly not a foundation of stone to hold up investment.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by irv

No way!

I think the current, Rose RC is a bit much, but that's just my opinion.

You should make that picture your new avatar.

[pokerplyr80]

I still think the 52 Topps Mantle will keep going up, quite a bit from current levels. If I had enough money I would be buying more.

There are a couple of rookies that have recently went nuts that I think will come back down.

[JTysver]

'68 Ryan Rookie.
It was valued at $25 until the mid 80s and took off with the Card Boom of the late 80s. Its a very common card also.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Honorable mention now goes to the M116 Sporting Life - Smoky Joe Wood, a PSA-7 copy of which just sold for $1,925- give me another break.

That sounds like sour grapes. To me that's a pretty sane price for a great player with very few cards in fantastic condition.

I have a 1939 Play Ball graded set around 60% complete averaging about 5.5 and I'm worried I'll never get the Williams now even if I go to my absolute bottom on the card which would be a 3. 3-4 months ago that wasn't an issue.

[zachclose21]

I would have to say the 1952 topps #1 Andy pafko. I know it's the #1 card in the set and hard to find in nice shape but $5000 for an ok player.

[Luke]

[QUOTE=Aquarian Sports Cards;1555991]That sounds like sour grapes. To me that's a pretty sane price for a great player with very few cards in fantastic condition.

Agree with this 100%. It's his only portrait and his most beautiful card. His T207 could rival it but just isn't very pleasing the eye. Supply and demand.

[bbcard1]

Not prewar, but certainly Vintage, the Reggie rookie has always been a tough sell.

[packs]

Ten Million Obak (got one for sale?)

[bravos4evr]

I think the price on high graded Rose RC's are out of hand. there are a lot of em out there compared to some of the other rarer cards that bring big $$$ but $150,000??? that's nuts

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

I think the price on high graded Rose RC's are out of hand. there are a lot of em out there compared to some of the other rarer cards that bring big $$$ but $150,000??? that's nuts

+1 There's a PSA 10 coming up on HA
gonna be crazy!!

[Billy5858]

[QUOTE=LukeLyon;1555995]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

That sounds like sour grapes. To me that's a pretty sane price for a great player with very few cards in fantastic condition.

Agree with this 100%. It's his only portrait and his most beautiful card. His T207 could rival it but just isn't very pleasing the eye. Supply and demand.

Sold for 4 X SMR....... But yeah I know the story

[pokerplyr80]

[QUOTE=Billy5858;1556004]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Sold for 4 X SMR....... But yeah I know the story

VCP Data for 1911 M116 Wood, PSA 7:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $1,925.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
6/27/16 eBay Auction | Image nanite76 a***s 18 $1,925.00
3/29/15 Love of the Game Image 7 $2,280.00
8/24/14 Memory Lane Image 21 $3,659.09

For PSA 6:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $2,875.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
2/2/13 eBay Image wvshoebox y***k BIN $2,875.00
11/13/11 eBay Image just_collect o***o 2 $2,499.99
12/16/07 eBay Image davidbvintage cards711 2 $2,551.00



I agree with the sour grapes assessment. The price seems low given previous sales.

[Billy5858]

[QUOTE=pokerplyr80;1556011]

Originally Posted by Billy5858

VCP Data for 1911 M116 Wood, PSA 7:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $1,925.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
6/27/16 eBay Auction | Image nanite76 a***s 18 $1,925.00
3/29/15 Love of the Game Image 7 $2,280.00
8/24/14 Memory Lane Image 21 $3,659.09

For PSA 6:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $2,875.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
2/2/13 eBay Image wvshoebox y***k BIN $2,875.00
11/13/11 eBay Image just_collect o***o 2 $2,499.99
12/16/07 eBay Image davidbvintage cards711 2 $2,551.00



I agree with the sour grapes assessment. The price seems low given previous sales.

Yeah that's the "story" I'm talking about.
SMR is pretty much useless for some cards now
Days. I don't subscribe to VCP so never see that
Type of info. Looks like the 1950.00 was a great
Price. Still not diggin the Sour Grapes use though.
More like REALLY disappointed :-)

[Bosox Blair]

[QUOTE=pokerplyr80;1556011]

Originally Posted by Billy5858

VCP Data for 1911 M116 Wood, PSA 7:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $1,925.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
6/27/16 eBay Auction | Image nanite76 a***s 18 $1,925.00
3/29/15 Love of the Game Image 7 $2,280.00
8/24/14 Memory Lane Image 21 $3,659.09

For PSA 6:

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 6 - Average Price: $2,875.00

Listing Type: Show:
Date Auction Link Seller Buyer Bids Price Extra
2/2/13 eBay Image wvshoebox y***k BIN $2,875.00
11/13/11 eBay Image just_collect o***o 2 $2,499.99
12/16/07 eBay Image davidbvintage cards711 2 $2,551.00



I agree with the sour grapes assessment. The price seems low given previous sales.

I bought the one from Love of the Game in 2015 for $2280 and I was thrilled to get it. I had been hunting that card for many years for my collection and I considered $2280 to be a bargain...still do.

That card is extremely tough, and has always sold for a LOT more than what I paid, let alone the deal someone got at $1925.

Overpriced? Sorry, but that is not supportable at all except for wishful thinking.

Now '52 Topps Mantles...that is a joke. There are boatloads of them. This postwar madness - a clear bubble - will burst harder than Upper Deck rookies (I guess nobody learned from that...if people even remember). It won't take that long.

Cheers,
Blair

[pokerplyr80]

I'm surprised how many people are picking the 52 Mantle, the most iconic card in the hobby. It's not one of the cards that has tripled in value in a month with rumors of market manipulation. Historically in any grade it has shown a consistent increase in value from year to year. It's the best card, of the most popular player, from the most famous team in history. Not to mention it's the best card from the first Topps set, one of the two most popular and widely collected sets in our hobby. The card has a lot going for it. Yes there are a lot of them compared to most expensive cards. But demand is far greater than supply in any grade. All hype? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes I am biased as I own one, and my collection is focused on Mantle cards. But I believe if you polled knowledgeable collectors which one card has the most long term investment potential the 52 Mantle would win by a landslide.