Post a Stupid Question - Prewar 101

[rdwyer]

Is this Wagner real?

[Rookiemonster]

Why is a grade on a card called a flip?

[njdunkin1]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Why is a grade on a card called a flip?

The flip, to my knowledge, refers to the little index card thingy at the top of the case. This includes everything. The grade, serial number, it's all there.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by njdunkin1

The flip, to my knowledge, refers to the little index card thingy at the top of the case. This includes everything. The grade, serial number, it's all there.

I know what it is . I was asking why is it called a flip .

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I know what it is . I was asking why is it called a flip .

Because one of the first employees at PSA was comedian Flip Wilson, and he was in charge of grading the first cards. The rest is history.

[bxb]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Why is a grade on a card called a flip?

I believe the term derives from removing the label and replacing it with a better one - like flipping a house for example. Adios.

[birdman42]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Why is a grade on a card called a flip?

AFAIK, the term goes back to the coin business. There are coin holders made of plastic (vinyl or PVC) that are 2x4 inches, with a pocket on each side. Typically a coin goes in one pocket and a card with description, grade, etc goes in the other pocket, then you fold the holder in half so it's 2x2. The holders are called "flips" because you can flip them open. Eventually the card itself came to be called a flip. By extension, anything with a coin's description and grade came to be a flip. And when card grading came into being, by the same company that was doing most of the coin grading (PCGS-->PSA), the analogy was obvious.

Bill

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by birdman42

AFAIK, the term goes back to the coin business. There are coin holders made of plastic (vinyl or PVC) that are 2x4 inches, with a pocket on each side. Typically a coin goes in one pocket and a card with description, grade, etc goes in the other pocket, then you fold the holder in half so it's 2x2. The holders are called "flips" because you can flip them open. Eventually the card itself came to be called a flip. By extension, anything with a coin's description and grade came to be a flip. And when card grading came into being, by the same company that was doing most of the coin grading (PCGS-->PSA), the analogy was obvious.



Bill

That is interesting, Bill. Thank you for posting.

[Touch'EmAll]

Here is a bonehead question. I won an eBay lot, however I forgot what I put for my max bid was (been out of town and busy). Now that I won the lot I cannot seem to go back and find out what my max bid was - any help? Thanks.

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

That is interesting, Bill. Thank you for posting.

"AFAIK, the term goes back to the coin business. There are coin holders made of plastic (vinyl or PVC) that are 2x4 inches, with a pocket on each side. Typically a coin goes in one pocket and a card with description, grade, etc goes in the other pocket, then you fold the holder in half so it's 2x2. The holders are called "flips" because you can flip them open. Eventually the card itself came to be called a flip. By extension, anything with a coin's description and grade came to be a flip. And when card grading came into being, by the same company that was doing most of the coin grading (PCGS-->PSA), the analogy was obvious. Bill T."

+1 ..........Still kind of don't get it but Thanks for the info....interesting

[WhenItWasAHobby]

I have a question. If this is Prewar 101, then what happened to the Prewar 1-100 courses? I'm now feeling a bit overwhelmed with these recently posted questions that delve into the deep profundities of older baseball cards.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

I have a question. If this is Prewar 101, then what happened to the Prewar 1-100 courses? I'm now feeling a bit overwhelmed with these recently posted questions that delve into the deep profundities of older baseball cards.

Dan,

If you are overwhelmed, we are all in trouble. Did I say that Prewar 101 was an entry level course? Some folks think that profundity is stupid. Q.E.D.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

I have a question. If this is Prewar 101, then what happened to the Prewar 1-100 courses? I'm now feeling a bit overwhelmed with these recently posted questions that delve into the deep profundities of older baseball cards.

Prewar 1-100 is learned at HKU!! ... (Hard Knocks University)

My best amateur move (not really a question) might be when I bought an E97 black and White, Irv Young from Terry K, some 16? yrs ago. When told it was Irv, after I bought it, I slyly played like I knew all along.

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[Mountaineer1999]

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[ramram]

When you say "Pre War", which war are you talking about? There's been a bunch of them.

Rob M.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by ramram

When you say "Pre War", which war are you talking about? There's been a bunch of them.

Rob M.

When it comes to vintage bb cards, the term 'Prewar' is commonly known to refer to cards issued before the involvelment of the United States in World War 2. Thus the 1941 Play Ball, 1941 Double Play and 1941 Goudey all make the Prewar cut.

Brian (Great thread Frank)

[Brian Van Horn]

Thank you, Frank.

[pokerplyr80]

Who came up with the letters and numbers to identify prewar sets? M116, t206, e145, etc.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Who came up with the letters and numbers to identify prewar sets? M116, t206, e145, etc.

Jefferson Burdick. What do I win?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Jefferson Burdick. What do I win?

Thanks for the quick response. No cash prize unfortunately.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Who came up with the letters and numbers to identify prewar sets? M116, t206, e145, etc.

David K. posted a great article recently about the man who was the founding father of the ACC system:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=224583

Brian

[brianp-beme]

One of my favorite sayings that I may have been the first in this entire world to coin..."Your stupid question is better than my stupid answer"

Brian

[Snapolit1]

What does a "strong registration" mean? Is that code for a high grade?

[Jobu]

It means that each of the color layers in the printing process is perfectly aligned (aka registered) with every other layer thereby creating a clear, sharp image. The more layers that are out of whack the weaker the registration (and less appealing the image ----- unless the registration is waaaaaaaay off and it moves into the realm of the freaks - this thread needs a card!).

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

What does a "strong registration" mean? Is that code for a high grade?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

What does a "strong registration" mean? Is that code for a high grade?

Registration is a printing term for how accurately an image is reproduced. Poor registration can be fuzzy, color not staying inside an outline, doubling etc... 1958 Topps is notorious for Poor registration, especially the Ted Williams card. If you get one with nice registration it's a coup.

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Before our involvement in WW II started what were pre war cards called?

[jmb]

Why is there no 51 Bowman Joe DiMaggio ?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BengoughingForAwhile

Before our involvement in WW II started what were pre war cards called?

The old joke is 'food'.

Brian

[Cliff Bowman]

I just received an e-mail from a General Shebango in Nigeria, who also says that he is a Prince, in which he tells me that he is in possession of a PSA 11 T206 Doyle NY N.L. with a Drum back that has a ghost image of Joe Jackson sliding into second on the front and evidence of being next to Honus Wagner on the back. He says that he wants me to either wire him $100,000 in US dollars or to give him my bank routing number and account number. Which method would you suggest?

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by BengoughingForAwhile

Before our involvement in WW II started what were pre war cards called?

"Modern shiny stuff"

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ramram

When you say "Pre War", which war are you talking about? There's been a bunch of them.

Rob M.

Rob, I believe the correct answer is the "War on Poverty".

[Jobu]

If Honus Wagner made ALC pull his T206 because he didn't want his image to help promote tobacco use in children, then why did the Flying Dutchman let this fly 40 years later?

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Jobu

If Honus Wagner made ALC pull his T206 because he didn't want his image to help promote tobacco use in children, then why did the Flying Dutchman let this fly 40 years later?

Probably just milk duds .

Of course lets just call the grade on a card a flip after flip Wilson . That makes sense I should have known .

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Jobu

If Honus Wagner made ALC pull his T206 because he didn't want his image to help promote tobacco use in children, then why did the Flying Dutchman let this fly 40 years later?

because kids didn't have to buy a pack of cigarettes to get the card.

[bxb]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Is this Wagner real?

If it is 3rd party graded, be assured it is real. Nor has it been trimmed.

[Kawika]

Did Shoeless Joe ever play in the majors without shoes? If he did, how did he avoid getting spiked?

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Did Shoeless Joe ever play in the majors without shoes? If he did, how did he avoid getting spiked?

He wore some white sox thingies that went half-way up his calves.
Several pictures of him in the T202's center panel.

[bxb]

Why are rookie cards more valuable than a player's other cards?

So what if it's his first card?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by bxb

Why are rookie cards more valuable than a player's other cards?

So what if it's his first card?

No real good reason beside that collectors collectively determined they were more valuable. This desirability seemed to gain momentum by the mid 1980's with newer issues, and has crept into the vintage market probably within the last 12-15 years.

I always preferred the last Topps card of a player...Roberto Clemente's 1973 was a great card in my eyes, because of his untimely death it showed his entire career stats.

Brian

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

No real good reason beside that collectors collectively determined they were more valuable. This desirability seemed to gain momentum by the mid 1980's with newer issues, and has crept into the vintage market probably within the last 12-15 years.

I always preferred the last Topps card of a player...Roberto Clemente's 1973 was a great card in my eyes, because of his untimely death it showed his entire career stats.

Brian

That's why Brian's collection consists exclusively of players who had only a single card issued, both their rookie and last card rolled into one.

[Eric72]

Why do people pronounce Wagner's first name as HO-nuss, when there are many instances where he is referred to as Johannes, Hans, and John?

Most will disagree with me. However, I still contend that it should be pronounced HAH-nuss. To those who disagree....why?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Did Shoeless Joe ever play in the majors without shoes? If he did, how did he avoid getting spiked?

Ah yes, a blast from the past.

[clydepepper]

Just how did Archie Graham know who Gil Hodges was?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Just how did Archie Graham know who Gil Hodges was?

Raymond, Great observation to a great movie. Also, why did he acknowledge Mel Ott?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Just how did Archie Graham know who Gil Hodges was?

He lived a long life as a doctor, and Hodges was a well known ball-player. If we suppose he kept his knowledge when he reverted to his youth it could make sense. We really quibbling over what makes sense in a fantasy/ghost story?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

He lived a long life as a doctor, and Hodges was a well known ball-player. If we suppose he kept his knowledge when he reverted to his youth it could make sense. We really quibbling over what makes sense in a fantasy/ghost story?

Scott - you missed the joke...I was just sharing what I consider a stupid question...as per the thread title.

I love that movie - even with it's imperfections. Movies, after all, are at their best when they serve as escapism and Field of Dreams definitely fits that bill.

[ASpaceman]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Did Shoeless Joe ever play in the majors without shoes? If he did, how did he avoid getting spiked?

LOL.....classic.