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Goodwin typically brings very strong prices. No evidence of Shilling im aware of...but I have always been skeptical(surprise surprse)!
QUOTE=begsu1013;1556897]i don't know much about goodwin auctions*, but what is the consensus on his reputability? things like shilling, are they trustworthy, dubious past or anything? trying to gauge the validity of this one... * i bought my 51b signed mantle in an auction a while back. first and last time i ever logged on to his site. i never follow/bid in private auction houses.[/QUOTE] Last edited by ullmandds; 07-01-2016 at 12:47 PM. |
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Someone hurry up and buy that 7 in the BST for 7k, its nice!!! I cant believe the insanity.
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Considering what the 8 got, I'd say it's a deal as well.
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Whether or not 80k will be the new standard for a centered 8 Koufax remains to be seen, but that's a lot more than I would have guessed even in today's market.
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I dunno. That was a pretty lo-end 6. Had a stain on back and very poor focus and centering. The NY symbol on the cap is so blurry. The 7 PWCC has up is even uglier IMHO. If these were prettier cards I think the prices would be very different.
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Not sure why prices would dip before the National...the prices at the National are usually not competitive with comparable cards on ebay...no reason to wait to go the National to pay more (assuming same looking card etc is on ebay) |
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Some might tell you this 8 was not centered well or was a low end example but I will stick to my conclusion, which is a market correction and let the dreamers dream and the spinners spin. Very clear what is taking place. It was clear when this game began where things would end up.
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1969 Topps Alcinder PSA 9
Last night PWCC auctioned off a 1969 Lew Alcinder (R) in PSA 9. The population for this card in PSA 9 is 18. The price guide says the card is worth $17,500. The card sold for over $73,000. Does this qualify for crazy price?
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With most collectibles such as coins, art, stamps, comic books, etc, etc, their prices are based on rarity rather than popularity imo. Maybe this is what is now happening in the card market too?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...vip=true&rt=nc http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...vip=true&rt=nc
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That PSA 1 of that 311 was on target with expectation, I thought nine to ten thousand, a little over the average on VCP.
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This one sold over a year ago for not a lot less. http://www.goodwinandco.com/1952_top...-lot30283.aspx I have noticed PSA 1's stay fairly consistent or with relatively small increases from time to time.
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I guess it all depends on each person's expectations. For me, I see great cards for the grade ticking up steady with random spikes here and there, and so-so cards leveling off.
Forgot that Goodwin has a 4.5 SGC of the 311 that is already at 50,000. And there was the PSA 4 dead center that sold for 67,000. Month ago maybe? Agree the ones have remained kinda steady as of late. I hope to get a one at 8500 cash maybe soon. Last edited by MetsBaseball1973; 08-02-2016 at 05:29 PM. |
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just looking at the last pwcc auction i see zero dip compared to the auction a month earlier when looking at the 50s rookie cards etc...auctions usually go for more than the 3-5 days than the National takes place so i really dont see it impacting AHs like Golden, Heritage, mile high, which i doubt have auctions that close exactly on the weekend of the National but who knows...
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Since joining this site back in January, I have done my best to try and understand the hobby, learn as much as I can, but I see I still have a long ways to go! From reading about PSA and how they got started (Trimmed Wagner) to Maestro, battlefield on E-Bay and lots of other shenanigans in the hobby, I will say I am somewhat disheartened by what I am finding out on a regular, almost daily basis. When I got back into this hobby (was never into like most on here to begin with) I was like a big kid again filled with excitement and enthusiasm to try and get caught back up but the more I find out about the hobby, (the ugly side of it I guess?) the less enthused I become.
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It is all in what we choose to hang the lantern on, so to speak. To a collector, a baseball card is intrinsically a happy, positive thing. So if you're a collector at heart and keep it all about the cards, and tune out the superfluous and the toxic, you'll find the cards make you very happy. |
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I guess I was naive thinking that with baseball cards there would be some sort of childhood innocence/honesty with regards to the hobby, but when money is involved, especially big money, I should have known better and not been so blind with my thinking. Thanks for the advice!
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This surprising to anyone?
I know it's a 9 but considering the plummet the 8 did recently, is anyone surprised by this?
http://sports.ha.com/itm/1955-topps-...lotPosition=18
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No, I am not surprised a 9 is far tougher than 8. Do i think its high yes. But i am not surprised. When a correction occurs i expect most items to fall but still be considerably higher to higher than pre boom levels.
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It sounds like there are 3 graded 10 PSA's out there, (at time of article) any idea how many 9's? (I don't know how to find the info?) http://www.justcollect.com/blog/sand...graded-psa-10/
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I am finding that out!
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"Nothing to compare," except if you're a picky buyer, and the 8 is a better card than the 9.
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Until that picky buyer pays for an 8 within 30k or whatever is remotely close of what that worse 9 goes for from this date on, yes there is nothing to compare......talk is cheap, when people have to put money where their mouth suddenly they dont pony up..
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I've done it on multiple occasions. And you sadly miss the point entirely.
It may shock an apparent grade whore like you, who myopically focuses only on price tag and sticker, but some of us collectors will actually see a card that we wouldn't spend a penny on-- despite the fact that someone else will spend a ton on that very same card. I have passed on PSA 9s, choosing not to spend a penny on them, and instead chose to shatter VCP history for PSA 8s of the same card-- because, to my eye, the PSA 9 had major eye appeal flaws, and the PSA 8 struck my eye as the better card. I have nothing against a high grade card; in fact, I like them-- when the card itself merits the grade. If you do not understand that, as a buyer, you can compare 8s and 9s, or 9s and 10s, or a 5 and a 9, then you don't collect cards. |
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we have gone through this grade argument before.. and i know your philosophy and you have terrific cards..... let me see you pay 125k for a psa 8 koufax than we can talk...this thread is about the koufax....i dont care how great looking the card is..if its an 8 you, MattyC arent going to pay 125k..until you do, theres really nothing to argue about...talk is very cheap.... its one thing when its a few k..even tens of k difference..but thats not the case with this koufax people sell the holder not the card..... someday we may see in a auction listing 'bad example for the grade' let me know when that happens too Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 08-08-2016 at 08:38 AM. |
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I don't think Matt is suggesting a nice 8 Koufax will outsell a flawed 9. Just that you can compare an 8 to a 9 and decide the 8 is the better card. I agree that I would rather step up and break a VCP record for a dead centered lower grade card with nice eye appeal than find a bargain priced card a grade or two higher with centering or tilt issues, or another flaw like a print defect or registration issue.
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The best 8 ever in the world (never attempted to be bumped) wont come remotely close to price at the current time as the 9 for sale at Heritage. No mater what faults you have with that 9. If people truly buy the card and are not buying the holder than that would not be the case.. Yes i have paid a PSA 4 price for a PSA 3 card if it involves 200 bucks etc. Nobody going to do that involving 100k etc. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 08-08-2016 at 01:14 PM. |
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