N173 & Goodwin Album Certificate Discussion – A New Variation?

[rhettyeakley]

Joe, just checked my coupon accumulation and have a copy of both 1889 Type 2 Type 3 w/ the orange front and blue backs but one with the dates and without. At least that is what I think you are calling the two I have.

The Goodwin coupons are much tougher than the regular A&G, Duke, and Kinney coupons, now I know of a few more to add to the wantlist!

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Joe, just checked my coupon accumulation and have a copy of both 1889 Type 2 Type 3 w/ the orange front and blue backs but one with the dates and without. At least that is what I think you are calling the two I have.

The Goodwin coupons are much tougher than the regular A&G, Duke, and Kinney coupons, now I know of a few more to add to the wantlist!

That would be correct Rhett, the 1889 type 2 & 3 certificates have the same orange N173 redemption details on front but have different album redemption details on the blue back. Type 2 lists the availability date for the "Sports and Games" and "Base Ball" albums while type 3 has no dates (presumably due to being issued after the albums were available).

So we now have 3 known 1888 certificates and 3 known 1889 certificates. Interesting similarities between all the 1888 tickets/certificates including the script "Goodwin & Co." and no mention of cabinet cards (although I believe such certificates were issued in 1888). All the 1889 certificates mention cabinets on one side, albums on the other.

So here we have the updated 1888 tickets/certificates followed by the 1889 certificates and the summary.

[Leon]

Thanks for the updated info, Joe. And thanks again to those who chimed in.

[Joe_G.]

Yet another new coupon has surfaced and it is a beauty dating to 1888. The new coupon, below, is the first I've seen that appears to be directed to a specific geographic area. As you can see, the coupon is directed to Goodwin's west coast agents, Mr. Mau, Sadler & Company, complete with a San Francisco address if you wish to order an album. The coupon is very similar to the more generic 1888 coupon, both advertising the two albums available in 1888 with a 75 certificate requirement. This coupon may have been packaged in a Gypsy Queen pack (popular on west coast) with either an N162 or, perhaps, an 1888 California League GQ.

Here are the four 1888 coupons known to me (Floral Album coupon does have an upside down back):

Here are the three 1889 coupons known to me:

I'm sure there are more to discover, would still like to find an 1888 example that mentions baseball cabinets.

[kkkkandp]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Yet another new coupon has surfaced and it is a beauty dating to 1888. The new coupon, below, is the first I've seen that appears to be directed to a specific geographic area. As you can see, the coupon is directed to Goodwin's west coast agents, Mr. Mau, Sadler & Company, complete with a San Francisco address if you wish to order an album. The coupon is very similar to the more generic 1888 coupon, both advertising the two albums available in 1888 with a 75 certificate requirement. This coupon may have been packaged in a Gypsy Queen pack (popular on west coast) with either an N162 or, perhaps, an 1888 California League GQ.

Awesome, Joe! Love seeing unknown Goodwin stuff almost 130 years after the fact!

[tedzan]

Cannot let this great thread disappear off the front page....so, it's time for a friendly bump.


TED Z
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[Joe_G.]

I may be the only one with interest here but thought I'd bump this old thread with a new find. At this point I'm posting inserts outside of the N173 and album redemptions. I recently came across the following insert on eBay and I'm trying to pin down likely date of issue.

I believe it is early and have tentatively placed it at top of the list in chronological order as follows:

Here is a closer look at the Old Judge portraits found on the inserts.

I've chosen to place it as earliest as it is blank backed (like other early inserts) and the Old Judge portrait is perhaps most similar to the earliest portraits I've been able to locate (read on). The portrait found on packs of Old Judge smoking tobacco and cigarette packs didn't change much over time but seems the new insert is most similar to the July 1878 example below. If it were distributed at this early date it would have been in paper packs (before Goodwin migrated to slide & shell boxes in late 1886). I've also looked at export packs but they match what is shown below.

I believe this was issued shortly after Goodwin & Co. began production of the Old Judge brand (purchased rights to the name in April 1877, patented the rice paper preparation on March 5th 1878). Perhaps this insert was placed in the earliest packs of cigarettes to ease smoker conscious on the dangers of paper wrapped cigarettes ("all tobacco" cigarettes were believed to be safer at this time but paper was cheaper).

Anyone have any thoughts on dating this insert?