1968 & 1968 Topps Houston - no logos?

[ALR-bishop]

Thanks for posting that Troy. Very interesting. What Fleer set do you think the author is talking about ? Fleer did issue baseball sets between 1963 and 1981 but most were old timer sets or sticker, logo and odd ball type sets

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Thanks for posting that Troy. Very interesting. What Fleer set do you think the author is talking about ? Fleer did issue baseball sets between 1963 and 1981 but most were old timer sets or sticker, logo and odd ball type sets

I believe they are referring to those oversized 1968 Fleer Team Facts cards that have the team emblem and facts on the front and are blank backed. They have "Save All 19 Cards" printed at the bottom. I'm guessing that Houston is the missing 20th team?

[ALR-bishop]

You might be right Cliff. I have the Save All 19 set in black minus Houston. The Save All 19 also comes in red ( variations ), and those are really tough. Still need a couple

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

You might be right Cliff. I have the Save All 19 set in black minus Houston. The Save All 19 also comes in red ( variations ), and those are really tough. Still need a couple

If you ever find the 1967 Fleer Team Facts card of the Cubs with the "Save All 19" in red, let me know and show a scan .

[Fleerfan]

The Houston team is also missing from the 1963 Post Cereal mini pennant set. At the time they were the Colt .45s. Don't know if this is the same issue with the team wanting additional revenue for use of the logo back in 1963, or whether this issue had to do with Colt Firearms.

The team had problems with the Colt Firearms Company about revenue from team merchandise sales with the Colt .45's logo. From my understanding, that is one of the reasons the team decided it was time for a new name and new logo when they moved into the dome so they would not have to continue to have issues over the Colt .45 logo.

Perhaps their issues with Colt Firearms being protective of their logo led the rebranded Astros to become very protective of their logo as well.

Here is a look at the 1963 Post Cereal mini pennants:

http://fleersticker.blogspot.com/201...-stickers.html

[Fleerfan]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Thanks for posting that Troy. Very interesting. What Fleer set do you think the author is talking about ? Fleer did issue baseball sets between 1963 and 1981 but most were old timer sets or sticker, logo and odd ball type sets

Yes, the Fleer sets being referenced are the 1967 and 1968 Fleer Baseball Emblem cloth patches and fact cards. There are no Astros cloth patches or fact cards in either set.

Here is my post on this issue with the missing Astros logos from the Topps and Fleer sets:
http://fleersticker.blogspot.com/200...em-astros.html

Troy - Thanks for the the great research!