Thoughts on Kaepernick & the national anthem

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

my response to the poll:


I both think that if I were owner I'd cut him AND that he has the right to protest any way he sees fit. We all have the right to our opinion and to express it anyway we like as long as we don't harm others, but, that being said, we are all bound to face the consequences of the choices we make and are open to any and all criticism of our choices. Freedom of speech is not a free pass to avoid criticism or consequences, it is there to keep the govt from chucking us in jail because we think it sucks.

^^+1^^ This is my response to the poll also, combination of part of 1 & 2.

[Topps206]

If everybody just fell in line with no problems at all, we wouldn't have change for the better. Just because I love my country doesn't mean I think it's without its flaws.

I oppose the action of burning the American flag, but I support someone's right to do it.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Topps206

If everybody just fell in line with no problems at all, we wouldn't have change for the better. Just because I love my country doesn't mean I think it's without its flaws.

I oppose the action of burning the American flag, but I support someone's right to do it.

sure, it's legal for them to do it, but we are free to think they are scumbags for doing it (and their employer is free to fire them if they think their employee's actions are detrimental to their business)

I think Kaepernick made a mistake with the timing of his actions. If he had been a top notch player, owning the starting QB job and leading his team to the playoffs he would have a lot more leeway. BUT, when you have played poorly, complained about losing the starting job and then do something like this... well let's say it looks kinda like an attention grab.


Jimmy Johnson years ago was asked why a borderline player got released for falling asleep at a film meeting. He said that when you are on the cut line you need to be the first there, last to leave amd you need to keep your mouth shut and do your job the best you can. When the reporter replied "well, if it was Troy Aikman who fell asleep what would you do?" he said "I'd say , "Troy, wake up""

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

sure, it's legal for them to do it, but we are free to think they are scumbags for doing it (and their employer is free to fire them if they think their employee's actions are detrimental to their business)

I think Kaepernick made a mistake with the timing of his actions. If he had been a top notch player, owning the starting QB job and leading his team to the playoffs he would have a lot more leeway. BUT, when you have played poorly, complained about losing the starting job and then do something like this... well let's say it looks kinda like an attention grab.


Jimmy Johnson years ago was asked why a borderline player got released for falling asleep at a film meeting. He said that when you are on the cut line you need to be the first there, last to leave amd you need to keep your mouth shut and do your job the best you can. When the reporter replied "well, if it was Troy Aikman who fell asleep what would you do?" he said "I'd say , "Troy, wake up""

I'm not sure where I said the 49ers wouldn't be within their right to release him, but you're right about the double standard, though.

To disavow his actions is your right, but not standing for the anthem is also his.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I'm not sure where I said the 49ers wouldn't be within their right to release him, but you're right about the double standard, though.

To disavow his actions is your right, but not standing for the anthem is also his.

nobody is arguing with it being his right (unless the NFL chooses to make it required) my beef is how so many people make wrong first amendment arguments in regards to criticism from others or punishment from his employer. (or they seem to think he has a right to his opinion but we don't have the right to think poorly of him because of said opinion, which by the way wouldn't be the case if a white guy said something that was deemed racist)

[clydepepper]

Besides not being able to get his helmet on, I think he's taking a real gamble on his career. An Oscar Gamble that is.


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[Exhibitman]

True, the First Amendment does not prevent a private enterprise from acting but firing an employee for engaging in an activity that is legal and not in violation of his contract terms would entitle him to sue for the guaranteed balance of his contract.. So, if the team wants to can him and pay his contract they are free to so; he will catch on with another team at the league minimum and potentially be paid to beat the old team.

The argument also misses my point: the activity in question is protected by the specific right that allows the self-righteous to hate on Kaepernick in the first place. Americans don't fight for the right to stand up shut up and conform. Never have. Never will. Absolute ideological conformity is the province of religion and dictatorship. The nazis were very good at getting everyone to shut up and toe the line. Didn't work out so well.

Legalities aside firing him would be an unbelievably stupid maneuver. The league is 80%+ black. Management sending a message that they will tolerate all manner of behavior except black political speech would cripple the team's ability to recruit and sign free agents. Given the team location and market I suspect it would also offend more of the team's fan base than it would appease.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Topps206

If everybody just fell in line with no problems at all, we wouldn't have change for the better. Just because I love my country doesn't mean I think it's without its flaws.

I oppose the action of burning the American flag, but I support someone's right to do it.

Just to touch on the last part of your post here.

It is 100% illegal to burn the flag and any person that supports the right of someone to do so is a tyrant and enemy to the US. Let me catch some f'ing twatwaffle burning a flag and see how quick I make the 5 o'clock news.

Having a right to protest and express an opinion is one thing. If Kaepernick wants to sit by all means let him sit. Doesn't mean I have to support of root for him and his team. Your First Amendment rights that we so freely use are very abused and there is quite a bit that aren't actually your right and should be punished as such.

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[Topps206]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Just to touch on the last part of your post here.

It is 100% illegal to burn the flag and any person that supports the right of someone to do so is a tyrant and enemy to the US. Let me catch some fucking twatwaffle burning a flag and see how quick I make the 5 o'clock news.

Having a right to protest and express an opinion is one thing. If Kaepernick wants to sit by all means let him sit. Doesn't mean I have to support of root for him and his team. Your First Amendment rights that we so freely use are very abused and there is quite a bit that aren't actually your right and should be punished as such.

Texas vs. Johnson says otherwise.

Also, Kaepernick is getting death threats.

[EvilKing00]

As far as burinng the flag... I feel very strongly that if u burn the flag u should be deported.

Short story... So i have a flag hanging in front of my house, over the years its become ripped and tattered. I replaced it with a new one. But what to do with the old one?

I turned to google. Which said the proper way to dispose of a us flag is to properly fold then burn the flag. Not convinced of google answer i talk to my broinlaw whos a marine. Who confirms this is the proper way.

3 months later i have a new flag hanging on front of my house & a torn flag hanging in my yard. Still cant bring myself to do it.

[Topps206]

Flag burning, I find to be distasteful, disrespectful, but it is a Constitutional right and one cannot legally deny someone that right or deport them for it.

[ronniehatesjazz]

Like others have said it's tasteless and disrespectful, but most importantly it's another haughty display of millennial self-righteous that this millennial finds hilarious. Who cares what this cretin thinks or does? He's trash just like the rest of my generation. More of the same "look at me, look at me" antics that I'm bombarded with on a daily basis. I honestly don't think the guy cares at all about what he's protesting however he's probably tricked himself into believing he cares. It's also funny to watch a guy with a room temperature IQ explain his rationale! Every time I see the imbecile I get mixed emotions of laughter and sadness.

I feel sorry for Boomer's and Gen X'ers because you grew up in a relatively simple world where good morals and values were pretty much taken for granted. The country in it's current state is, understandingly, somewhat shocking to you. I however have grown up in a culture that rejects reality and celebrates interesting topics like "gender fluidity" while demonizing anything that represents the country's shameful past that brought nothing but misery to anyone who was not a white male (funny I've never understood why my grandma's generation of women were so happy and women of today so miserable). The whole thing is just laughable to me at this point. I've spent too many years being upset.

I've thought about moving to Asia and living out the rest of my days in blissful ignorance of my surroundings as foreigner that's unimmersed in the native culture. Sadly, I think my baseball card collection would be valueless in the land of China lol.

Sorry for the rant.

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

As far as burinng the flag... I feel very strongly that if u burn the flag u should be deported.

Short story... So i have a flag hanging in front of my house, over the years its become ripped and tattered. I replaced it with a new one. But what to do with the old one?

I turned to google. Which said the proper way to dispose of a us flag is to properly fold then burn the flag. Not convinced of google answer i talk to my broinlaw whos a marine. Who confirms this is the proper way.

3 months later i have a new flag hanging on front of my house & a torn flag hanging in my yard. Still cant bring myself to do it.

Steve,

You can give your ripped & torn flag to your local American Legion and they will dispose of it properly. All you need to do is give them a call and I'm sure they will help you.

Jantz

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Steve,

You can give your ripped & torn flag to your local American Legion and they will dispose of it properly. All you need to do is give them a call and I'm sure they will help you.

Jantz

thanks for the info - i may do that