Really, PWCC?

[PhillipAbbott79]

The problem is not that it is in a 6 slab. It is that they use the wording 'paper pull' to describe paper 'loss'.

You can go onto Ebay and buy the winning McDonald's boardwalk game board game piece. You get a cut out of the game board. Same thing here. It is intentionally worded tricky to get maximum dollar for a card that does not deserve it. When was the last time you heard any paper loss called a 'pull'

Its intentionally worded too lighten the blow of the word 'paper loss' and help hide the fact the fact it is highly over graded. Additionally, I am sort of shocked that he would come here to address a problem, and leave this one, unattended.

Nothing like drawing the clock down on it. I know I am new here, but seriously. Leaving this unanswered is shameful at a minimum.

[pokerplyr80]

I think that assessment is a little harsh. PWCC didn't grade the card, and it certainly wouldn't be good for business to post a description saying something like "this card is way over graded." If that was your consignment I don't think you would appreciate it.

I have seen many auction houses use creative wording that makes flaws sound less severe than they are. Or not mention them at all. At least he drew some attention to it. It's up to the bidders to decide if it's worth PSA 6 money or not. It looks like at least a few bidders have decided it is.

I do prefer this description to one with three paragraphs about the history of t206 cards and a sentence or two about the actual card.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I think that assessment is a little harsh. PWCC didn't grade the card, and it certainly wouldn't be good for business to post a description saying something like "this card is way over graded." If that was your consignment I don't think you would appreciate it.

I have seen many auction houses use creative wording that makes flaws sound less severe than they are. Or not mention them at all. At least he drew some attention to it. It's up to the bidders to decide if it's worth PSA 6 money or not. It looks like at least a few bidders have decided it is.

I do prefer this description to one with three paragraphs about the history of t206 cards and a sentence or two about the actual card.

I have been reading the board for a little while before having this be my first few posts.

I don't think its a matter of whether or not I would "like it" if it were my card. I would expect the same thing to happen to me, or anyone else if they submitted a card like this with this problem. I have been reading threads here about honesty, integrity, and calling attention to problems without shading the situation for good or bad.

Here is, without a doubt, a perfect example of it. You have a high dollar, big name player in a fantastic shape and tough grade to get, being sold in a case does not hold par for its grade on it, and being sold by a company who a lot of people here don't revere as a solid seller for doing enough to protect their auction buyers from fraud......and tricky wording is "harsh"?

Then, on top of that, in this thread, the problem is mentioned by me(regardless of specifically brought to his attention or not), he joins the board to comment on the thread, and skips right over it without addressing it??

"Seriously" is right.
Phil

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I have been reading the board for a little while before having this be my first few posts.

I don't think its a matter of whether or not I would "like it" if it were my card. I would expect the same thing to happen to me, or anyone else if they submitted a card like this with this problem. I have been reading threads here about honesty, integrity, and calling attention to problems without shading the situation for good or bad.

Here is, without a doubt, a perfect example of it. You have a high dollar, big name player in a fantastic shape and tough grade to get, being sold in a case does not hold par for its grade on it, and being sold by a company who a lot of people here don't revere as a solid seller for doing enough to protect their auction buyers from fraud......and tricky wording is "harsh"?

Then, on top of that, in this thread, the problem is mentioned by me(regardless of specifically brought to his attention or not), he joins the board to comment on the thread, and skips right over it without addressing it??

"Seriously" is right.
Phil

I meant your statement that his lack of a response to your question was "shameful at a minimum" was a little harsh. If you'll re-read the thread you'll notice he responded before you made your comment. He only did so because a couple of us emailed him directly to notify him about the PSA Auth listing and this thread. Chances are he hasn't even seen your comment. If you feel the wording of the Cobb listing is a problem email him, or give him a call and see what he says. His phone number and email address is listed on the pwcc website.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I have been reading the board for a little while before having this be my first few posts.

I don't think its a matter of whether or not I would "like it" if it were my card. I would expect the same thing to happen to me, or anyone else if they submitted a card like this with this problem. I have been reading threads here about honesty, integrity, and calling attention to problems without shading the situation for good or bad.

Here is, without a doubt, a perfect example of it. You have a high dollar, big name player in a fantastic shape and tough grade to get, being sold in a case does not hold par for its grade on it, and being sold by a company who a lot of people here don't revere as a solid seller for doing enough to protect their auction buyers from fraud......and tricky wording is "harsh"?

Then, on top of that, in this thread, the problem is mentioned by me(regardless of specifically brought to his attention or not), he joins the board to comment on the thread, and skips right over it without addressing it??

"Seriously" is right.
Phil

With all due respect Phil, this thread was about an "?authentic" card. You piped in somewhere along the way about a card being misrepresented, asking for an explanation from Brent. You have a worthy complaint, but it's not Brent's job to hold conversations on net54.

I think you should write to PWCC direct, and if you don't like the explanation, start another thread about "linguistic embellishment"; which seems to be the soup du jour with ALL auctions houses and e-bay sellers these days. Remember, they're all selling-whores, trying to get the best price for their clients while straddling the line of descriptive exuberance.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

The problem is not that it is in a 6 slab. It is that they use the wording 'paper pull' to describe paper 'loss'.

You can go onto Ebay and buy the winning McDonald's boardwalk game board game piece. You get a cut out of the game board. Same thing here. It is intentionally worded tricky to get maximum dollar for a card that does not deserve it. When was the last time you heard any paper loss called a 'pull'

Its intentionally worded too lighten the blow of the word 'paper loss' and help hide the fact the fact it is highly over graded. Additionally, I am sort of shocked that he would come here to address a problem, and leave this one, unattended.

Nothing like drawing the clock down on it. I know I am new here, but seriously. Leaving this unanswered is shameful at a minimum.

The other problem was brought to his attention directly. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Brent doesn't always have time to monitor these boards looking for issues people may have with his listings.