T206 Who should be a HOFer that isn't ???

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by rats60

Sorry, I disagree. Wagner & Davis .940. Tinker and Wallace .938. Dahlen .927. I don't put too much weight on fielding percentage, but that is too big a gap. He was marginally better getting to balls based on assists, but why? Did his pitchers throw more ground balls? We just don't know. Over a 162 game average he fielded about 3 more balls than Davis, 11 more than Wallace and 30 more than Tinker. Those really aren't enough to make up for extra errors he made.

Jaws ranks Dahlen as the 10th best shortstop in history, behind only Wagner, A-Rod, Ripken, G. Davis, Yount, Vaughan, Banks, O. Smith and Appling.

He is ahead of:

Alan Trammell
Derek Jeter
Barry Larkin
Bobby Wallace
Lou Boudreau
Joe Cronin
Pee Wee Reese
Joe Sewell
Luis Aparicio
Joe Tinker
Dave Bancroft
Travis Jackson
Phil Rizzuto
Rabbit Maranville

Tom C

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Jaws ranks Dahlen as the 10th best shortstop in history, behind only Wagner, A-Rod, Ripken, G. Davis, Yount, Vaughan, Banks, O. Smith and Appling.

He is ahead of:

Alan Trammell
Derek Jeter
Barry Larkin
Bobby Wallace
Lou Boudreau
Joe Cronin
Pee Wee Reese
Joe Sewell
Luis Aparicio
Joe Tinker
Dave Bancroft
Travis Jackson
Phil Rizzuto
Rabbit Maranville

Tom C

He hates WAR and Jaws. Even without them, you could still argue in favor of Dahlen's defense.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Topps206

He hates WAR and Jaws. Even without them, you could still argue in favor of Dahlen's defense.

Dahlen's 73+ WAR is good enough on it's own. When you dig deeper you see he's easily one of the best at his position all time. I still have no idea why he isn't in.

Magee's 63.4 WAR is right on the cusp of what I think should be required by an OF'er for the HOF. and is 40th all time for OF'ers. BUT, I have a hard time voting for a guy with a sub .800 OPS and a wRC+ of 134 (which ties him for 64th all time among OF'ers) But I can see the argument for his induction.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

Dahlen's 73+ WAR is good enough on it's own. When you dig deeper you see he's easily one of the best at his position all time. I still have no idea why he isn't in.

Magee's 63.4 WAR is right on the cusp of what I think should be required by an OF'er for the HOF. and is 40th all time for OF'ers. BUT, I have a hard time voting for a guy with a sub .800 OPS and a wRC+ of 134 (which ties him for 64th all time among OF'ers) But I can see the argument for his induction.

How about his OPS+ of 137?