New member here NEEDS MAJOR HELP!!!

[maximus35]

Ok here are some scans of my questionable Pete Rose rookie. I blacked out serial # and grades for security reasons. Please tell me what you guys think:

Front: https://imageshack.com/i/pooK0s14j
front unclose: https://imageshack.com/i/pmUj8SRwj
top left corner: https://imageshack.com/i/pm152pp7j
back: https://imageshack.com/i/pnuwyoLwj
back top corner: https://imageshack.com/i/pnO16XJaj

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by maximus35

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I don't see anything blatantly wrong, but the amount of frost is unsettling for a high dollar card. Your best bet is to send the card to PSA and have them reholder the card for you.

[maximus35]

If you guys can see on my image shack account there is also a questionable Babe Ruth I purchased about 8-10 years ago. It was graded a 4 by KSA. I sent scans of it to KSA and they said they think its genuine. I have my doubts so I popped it out of its holder and am going to submit it to PSA for their opinion.

[baztacula]

There is a strange waviness to your pictures. Do you have a funhouse mirror lens on your camera or is that how that card/holder actually looks?

[JustinD]

1. The slab looks unusually frosted but the tabs seem to be okay. You have a good chance of it being okay, but resubmit for piece of mind or it will drive you mad.
2. I think you are correct although the PSA police will tell you no. BGS/BVG was stricter than PSA in years past as the graders gave zero leeway and expected the vintage to look like a new modern shiny card in condition.
3. This has changed as PSA tightened standards in the past couple years, more so in the very recent past. The problem with this is the grades are everywhere and have no consistency as they reslabbed the older grades with holos without regrading making the grades worthless. To have properly fixed the issue they should have downgraded appropriately and people could judge on the older slabs for themselves if they would handle the reslab.
4. PSAs popularity is because they became the Kleenex of the grading world to the investors and noobs, when many know that Puffs (BVG, SGC) are just fine. This is due to the registry and competition between those in it, and brand recognition, not in my mind a better product.
5. They are the main issue in numerous scams, but still seem to keep the reputation, so I really don't know if it will ever change. They seem to be impervious to bad press.
6. I believe fully they will purposely downgrade cards in competitor slabs to maintain an ego of superiority, so you IMO need to crack to submit.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by maximus35

If you guys can see on my image shack account there is also a questionable Babe Ruth I purchased about 8-10 years ago. It was graded a 4 by KSA. I sent scans of it to KSA and they said they think its genuine. I have my doubts so I popped it out of its holder and am going to submit it to PSA for their opinion.

You probably should've left it in the KSA holder :/

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

You probably should've left it in the KSA holder :/

I haven't seen the card but in my experience holders don't make cards authentic though some claim they do (as the 1917 Marquard Stamp which PSA wrongly says is Ruth).

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Leon

I haven't seen the card but in my experience holders don't make cards authentic though some claim they do (as the 1917 Marquard Stamp which PSA wrongly says is Ruth).

No, but if the card is still in the holder and fake you might still have some semblance of recourse. KSA is still in business, but I don't know whether they guarantee their services.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

No, but if the card is still in the holder and fake you might still have some semblance of recourse. KSA is still in business, but I don't know whether they guarantee their services.

True and I didn't even know they were still in business. I doubt they guarantee much if this card is bad. And as most hobbyists know the Rose rookie is one of the all time, and most, counterfeited classics.