Ebay as the shill bidder

D. Bergin · #1 09-20-2016, 03:26 PM

You could have just declined the offer and asked the seller to put it up for bid again, and that you would be involved in the bidding, but are uncomfortable with the bid price as it is set right now.

If it was just between you and the other guy up at $410, there's no guarantee there wouldn't have been somebody in there between $330 and $410 that were blocked out by the higher bidding, or had a lower snipe rejected.

bobbyw8469 · #2 09-20-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

You could have just declined the offer and asked the seller to put it up for bid again, and that you would be involved in the bidding, but are uncomfortable with the bid price as it is set right now.

If it was just between you and the other guy up at $410, there's no guarantee there wouldn't have been somebody in there between $330 and $410 that were blocked out by the higher bidding, or had a lower snipe rejected.

+1. Exactly. Just because there was a non paying bidder doesn't mean you would have automatically won it at your bid. Even though the winning bidder never paid, there is a good chance that it will hit $400 again on the relist.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 09-20-2016, 04:19 PM

If you were willing to pay 410 and now can get it for 410 I really don't see your problem. As Bobby said, there is no way to know how the bidding would have gone absent the high bidder.

bobbyw8469 · #4 09-20-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you were willing to pay 410 and now can get it for 410 I really don't see your problem. As Bobby said, there is no way to know how the bidding would have gone absent the high bidder.

He wants it for $330 though. He wants it as cheap as possible. Im trying to explain to him, that even though the winning bidder never paid, he might not have won it for his $330 bid.

SMPEP · #5 09-20-2016, 05:33 PM

So wait ... let me get this straight ...

Everyone on this board condemns shill bidding (with the exception of about 3 people who get roundly attacked in every debate on the topic). You all say it's bad if someone (who does not know your max bid) places bids with the intentional purpose of making you pay more. (Even though the shill bidder may never guess your highest price).

BUT you all think it's okay that Ebay (who knows your highest price to the penny) gives you an option to buy the item at the equivalent of the shill bid price - instead of at price you would have won the auction at the very first time. (The potential other snipes between $330 and $410 argument is weak as I have a last second snipe set - they would have already been in by that point. That's a red herring. And what about if there were no other snipes? You assume there are but that's not the case for a lot, if not the vast majority, of items.)

And to be clear, the point I'm making - which seems lost on people in the thread - is NOT whether I should have accepted the offer or not. Or the price paid for the item. Those are both irrelevant.

The point is - Ebay is acting exactly as a shill bidder does. Their Second Chance operating practice has EXACTLY the same effect as being shill bid against. You are forced to pay your maximum price by having fictitious bids placed against you. Everyone condemns shill bidding by individuals. But as long as Ebay gives you an option - you think it's okay that they shill bid in the Second Chance offer because you can always decline and try to win the fair auction a second time ... after the "fair" auction you already won had nonpaying bidders that prevented you from winning it at the fair price the first time.

Wow.

swarmee · #6 09-20-2016, 05:58 PM

eBay is not acting like a shill bidder.

1) The auction is over and you did not win it.

2) You are now being given a chance to buy it through a Buy-It-Now. You can choose whether or not to accept this price.

3) You also have the ability to message the seller and recommend a lower price. The seller can agree to that and relist the item for BIN/BO at above the auction price and you can click the Best Offer and send it to seller. Or the seller can sell it to you off-site and forego eBay fees at all.

4) So no, eBay is not acting like a shill bidder. The first auction has completed, and you're now in the process of buying a card with a price, and the ability to negotiate.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 09-20-2016, 06:16 PM

I think it's the OP against the rest of the world here.

nsaddict · #8 09-20-2016, 06:31 PM

You surely had a choice to buy or not buy. This actually happened to me. To make things simple, I'd explain this to the seller and ask would he take 350. If he relists and a bidder comes in at 405 and and not bid on any other cards in the last 30 days probably a shill and f___ the seller. In my case the seller did accept a slightly higher bid than runner up. Is it possible the seller had 2 of the same?

ramram · #9 09-20-2016, 07:41 PM

I know exactly what the OP is getting at and I FULLY agree with his point. You can add a lot of "ifs" and "buts' but in essence he is exactly right. I had it happen today on an iphone I purchased. The original high bidder had a zero feedback and, supposedly, was attempting to scam the seller so the seller offered it to me as a second chance. Sure, I could walk but that's not the point here.

Rob M

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