OT-Can you imagine Nagurski, Thorpe, Rockne and Grange ....

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

It was a harder scrabble life back then, people were just happy that they lived to be 65 without polio or their kids dying before puberty.(and players didn't make the kind of bread they do now)

That plus men were men back then and didn't get conned into acting like "sensitive special snowflakes" by a dubiously,agenda driven academic society like they do now. Hey , wear what you want this is a free country, but this modern attitude of "anyone who doesn't aggressively support cause XYZ is a terrible person" is getting a bit tired.

I have been amused by the advent of the beard as modern masculine symbol when it generally is worn by a guy who would get a panic attack at a horror movie.

I didn't realize I'd been conned. I thought I supported breast cancer awareness because my mother died from the disease at 58 years old. Next time I'm at her grave and talking to her, I'll remember to admonish her for conning me.

[DBesse27]

Frank, you implied that there's something wrong with wearing pink shoes and then said the color of a doctor's shoes doesn't matter. Why, then, do you care about the color of a professional athlete's shoes. The way I read your OP, you were saying that Grange et al wouldn't wear pink shoes because there's something "wrong" with that, presumably that pink is too "feminine." If I'm right about your intent, and your presumption of those players' aversion to pink is also correct, then I am comfortable saying that I'm more of a "real man" than you are or they were, since I don't rely on symbols (beards included) to prove my masculinity to the world.

If, however, I misinterpreted your OP, then I apologize. If you were simply griping about current society's bandwagon/fad obsession and about corporate intrusion into our national pastimes, then you'll find no disagreement coming from me.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

I didn't realize I'd been conned. I thought I supported breast cancer awareness because my mother died from the disease at 58 years old. Next time I'm at her grave and talking to her, I'll remember to admonish her for conning me.

nice way to take a general statement, make it personal and then grab a big ole appeal to emotion at the end.\\sorry about your mom, but I stand by my statement. Too many males of today are not men, they are weak, fragile and pathetic.

, then I am comfortable saying that I'm more of a "real man" than you are or they were, since I don't rely on symbols (beards included) to prove my masculinity to the world.

yes, so comfortable you certainly refrain from spreading this belief around like rice at a wedding

[DBesse27]

Nick, you "sound" like a caveman.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

Nick, you "sound" like a caveman.

I think he is right. You took Frank way too seriously. You obviously haven't met and don't know him. Pink shoes, I got no problem with them. I like bright colors personally, though I admit I don't own any pink shoes or clothing.

[DBesse27]

Frank and I have exchanged some polite and thought provoking PM's. No grudge there and he seems like a great guy.

Nick, on the other hand, still bothers me with his assertion that somebody is being "conned" if they wear pink during October. His comment about weak, fragile, pathetic men also reeks of false bravado. It's disappointing, Leon, that you would say this kind of attitude is "right."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

Frank and I have exchanged some polite and thought provoking PM's. No grudge there and he seems like a great guy.

Nick, on the other hand, still bothers me with his assertion that somebody is being "conned" if they wear pink during October. His comment about weak, fragile, pathetic men also reeks of false bravado. It's disappointing, Leon, that you would say this kind of attitude is "right."

I have at least a handful of my closest relatives, including my mom who died of breast cancer, who have been afflicted with cancer. My comment was in no way, shape or form what you are trying to make of it, trust me. I said exactly what I meant. I never commented about what Nick or anyone else besides what Frank said. Quit making a mountain out of a molehill. I even said I have no problem with pink shoes!! But to reiterate Dr. Frank, can you imagine?

edited to add, I was not agreeing with other stuff which Nick had said, though I see how that came out, so my apology on that. My only reference was meant to be concerning Frank.

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have at least a handful of my closest relatives, including my mom who died of breast cancer, who have been afflicted with cancer. My comment was in no way, shape or form what you are trying to make of it, trust me. I said exactly what I meant. I never commented about what Nick or anyone else besides what Frank said. Quit making a mountain out of a molehill. I even said I have no problem with pink shoes!! But to reiterate Dr. Frank, can you imagine?

edited to add, I was not agreeing with other stuff which Nick had said, though I see how that came out, so my apology on that. My only reference was meant to be concerning Frank.

OK, like I said, I have no issue with Frank or his post. He and I have hashed out that misunderstanding.