Mystery's of the 1933 Goudey set....and, show us your Goudey's

BBB · #1 10-24-2016, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

The Leo Durocher #106 card is not a "proof" card.

I closely examined this card in 1981, while visiting with George Moll at his home in Holland, PA. He handed me two Durocher cards from his 1933 Goudey

set (George Moll's favorite set). One card had #147 on it, and the other card had #106 on it.

1st for some history...... the George Moll Advertising Agency (Philadelphia) was the force behind all the Play Ball and Bowman Sports & Non-Sports cards

issued by the Bowman Gum Co. (1938 - 1955). Moll employed 12 professional artists who designed all the cards.

In 1938, George Moll convinced Warren Bowman that he should market his popular Bubble Gum product with trading cards. And that led to "the start of a

beautiful friendship".

If I recall correctly, it's my understanding that his Agency produced this Durocher card as a space-filler for Goudey collectors who didn't have a #106 card.

TED Z

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Fascinating stuff! Can barely fathom what it should be worth if one actually hit the market again. I bet it would still be undervalued if compared to Lajoie for rareness. Which is a bit of a bummer as it's part of the same legend as the Lajoie. Thanks for Intel.

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tedzan · #2 10-26-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BBB

Fascinating stuff! Can barely fathom what it should be worth if one actually hit the market again. I bet it would still be undervalued if compared to Lajoie for rareness. Which is a bit of a bummer as it's part of the same legend as the Lajoie. Thanks for Intel.

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Hi Bryan

There appears to be less Durocher (#106) cards available than there are Lajoie (#106) cards. However, the Lajoie card's story has been "hyped" for decades.
Therefore, this Durocher card's value (plus lower demand) will never approach any considerably high $$$$ value.

Glad to share my Durocher story with you....and, the members of this great forum.

TED Z
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tedzan · #3 10-27-2016, 04:08 PM

The Jablonowski card in my set has the official Copyright stamp on the back of this card.
Does anyone else on this forum have Goudey's with the Copyright stamp on them ?

If so, how's about posting them here.

TED Z
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brob28 · #4 10-28-2016, 07:51 AM

Interesting Ted, not sure I would have recognized the markings for what they are if I had seen one in the past. So, based on the copyright date, the card would have been released in a series after the date correct? May be an overly simple question, but not being familiar with the process just looking for confirmation as it seems late in the year to be getting the cards copyrighted.

ZachS · #5 10-28-2016, 03:51 PM

Besides a signed raw Paul Richards card this is my only other 33 Goudey:

If anyone comes across a lower, left corner let me know.

tedzan · #6 10-28-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brob28

Interesting Ted, not sure I would have recognized the markings for what they are if I had seen one in the past. So, based on the copyright date, the card would have been released in a series after the date correct? May be an overly simple question, but not being familiar with the process just looking for confirmation as it seems late in the year to be getting the cards copyrighted.

Hi Bill

The Jablonowski card was printed on the 4th sheet of the 1933 Goudey set. The cards were issued circa Spring/early Summer 1933.

Most likely that is when these cards were also submitted to the Copyright department. It's my understanding that typically 2 months
transpired until the Copyright registration occurred.

Hopefully, more of these Goudey cards with the Copyright info will be posted here, so we can get a better idea regarding this subject.

TED Z
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Pat R · #7 10-28-2016, 08:45 PM

There was a large group that sold in a REA lot.

Here's six from that lot.
Goudey Group.jpg
Goudey Group Back.jpg

And an informative thread that King started about them.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=81615

Pat R · #8 10-28-2016, 11:27 PM

Here's a scan of one of the cards with a patent registration card.
Goudey certificate.jpg

And a really neat article that was in SMR about the guy who assembled a
large collection of these.
http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...-auction-block

tedzan · #9 10-28-2016, 11:34 PM

Thanks Pat for posting these 6 cards having the Copyright stamp on their backs.

Copyright dates on these 6 cards appear to confirm the 2-month period (noted in Post #58)
between when these cards were issued and the Copyright registration date.

Dickey printed on the 1st sheet, issued in Mar 1933.

Collins printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Cronin printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Maranville printed on the 5th sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Gehringer printed on the 9th sheet, issued in Aug 1933.

Ott printed on the 10th sheet, issued in Nov 1933.

TED Z
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BBB · #10 11-03-2016, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Bryan

There appears to be less Durocher (#106) cards available than there are Lajoie (#106) cards. However, the Lajoie card's story has been "hyped" for decades.

Therefore, this Durocher card's value (plus lower demand) will never approach any considerably high $$$$ value.

Glad to share my Durocher story with you....and, the members of this great forum.

TED Z

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Absolutely agree on logic, but would still guess a Durocher 106 might go for 5-10k. Although it's way south of Lajoie , it should still surpass the yellow Ruth . I could be far off base , but that's my wild guess.

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